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First time Whitetail hunting question
« on: October 18, 2024, 10:25:37 PM »
Im going deer hunting for the first time this year in Up State NY. Typical distances are a 100 yards and in. I know the traditional boiler room shot (heart lung shot) gives the most meat. From what i researched a deer can run around 100 yards before dropping. Ive also researched the high shoulder shot that tend to DRT shot.  From what i read there can be significant meat loss with a shot like this.  All of this is Youtube and internet research so I take  it with a grain of salt.

I heavily leaning towards using a 24 inch Sako L579 Forester in 308.  I may use a Marlin 336 in 30/30 or Ruger American in 7.62x39. Any of the three should be more than capable at the ranges I will be shooting.

I like the idea of not having to track the deer but i don't want to waste meat either.  Any first hand experiences with both of these shots would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: First time Whitetail hunting question
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2024, 10:31:47 PM »
You can never count on a single shot, last second flinch or 1/2 step and any shot can be off and turn into a tracking exercise through no fault of the shooter, so don't over think it, wait and see what presents itself.  I tend to just go with what works, heart and lungs, yes they can still lunge forward, but a good hit is a certain kill.
 Ammo will be fairly important with any of those calibers, but there is some pretty good selection for 30-30 and 308 now.
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Re: First time Whitetail hunting question
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2024, 02:13:50 AM »
The only advice I can give is to not be this guy.
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Re: First time Whitetail hunting question
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2024, 07:05:16 AM »
Learn anatomy of your prey and behavior, it'll go much further than you think.

Iirc the best shot for meat is a broadside double lung and heart shot. That said, you won't be picking your shot, you take what you can get.
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Re: First time Whitetail hunting question
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2024, 09:41:38 AM »
Here's a very recent story that may or may not help you in tracking.

My son in law hunts in my back yard on our 20 acre wooded lot.  He's been putting out corn, has a trail camera and his stand down there since opener.  On Tuesday, just a few days ago, he went out at about 5pm to wait in his stand.  He got a good broadside opportunity to get a big doe at about 25 yards and took it.  He "thought" it was a good double lung shot.  He thought he saw the arrow go into the left side, high in the lung, and exited on the other side so he figured a double lung shot.  Actually the arrow went through her, then hit and bounced off the fawn that was behind her. Scared the crap out of the fawn but didn't stick.  He took the shot at about 6:30, waited until 7:00, climbed down and found the very bloody arrow, then came up to the house and got me to help him track it. He's way more experienced of a deer hunter than I am, but he knows I love this kind of stuff so he came and got me.

We went down at about 8:00 pm with headlamps on and found lots of blood.  I'd say at least 4 spots in the leaves that looked like an entire cup of blood, as well as lots of drops and strips of blood. She ran about 60 yards from where she was shot then we could see her eye shine with our headlamps through the brush.  It was too thick to see her body, but we could see that she was alive, sitting down, and watching us about 15 yards away.  We were debating what our next step was when she got up and ran again.  We walked over to where she was sitting and found just like a tablespoon of blood.  Not much blood for laying there with possibly two holes through her for almost 2 hours, but it didn't sound like ran far as we did hear a slight crash. We debated about just going back out in the morning but thought we'd give her a couple more hours at least so we went home.

At 10:30 we decided to go back out.  We tracked her at least another 60 yards.  Not big cups worth of blood like before, more like a few tablespoons of it, along with some drops, and again we saw her eyeshine through the brush with our headlamps.  Still alive and watching us at about 12 yards away.  We watched her about 30 seconds when she jumped up and ran again.  We heard no crash this time, but we walked over to where she was, and barely found any blood on the ground this time.  He was now questioning his shot placement and we thought it would be best to wait until morning.

About 8:00 am the next day we went out again and picked up where we left off.  We found very little blood.  Just single drops and not many.  We tracked her about another 50 yards where she started running straight down a cut ATV trail and found the last drop of blood on a small leaf in the middle of the trail, then nothing.  We thought that maybe the shot might have just wounded her and she was long gone, but that maybe she ducked off the left side of the trail somewhere so as ethical hunters, we split up and started wandering around in that general direction.  We never saw any more blood but eventually found her, expired, another 30 yards off of that trail. 

It was a great double lung shot, through and through, and she still was able to live for over 4 hours and run about 200 yards.

She was a tough one.
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Re: First time Whitetail hunting question
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2024, 10:19:02 AM »
I have had elk run 100+ yards after spitting their lungs out their mouth and a wounded heart, have had them drop where they stand with the same flank shot, no guarantees in any of it. 

Just keep in mind, shooting a live animal is different than a target, adrenaline and movement will factor with both the shooter and target, not every shot will be a perfect angle etc and a straight line going though at some angles even if placed right behind the elbow might miss most of the vitals, so keep that in mind when choosing to shoot, might have to sacrifice a shoulder for a kill for example,  on the other end don't over think it and pass up shots that are not perfect worrying about it not dying instantly.  I'm sure you have researched and heard all that already.

I have never purposefully taken a high shoulder shot just because it does ruin a lot of meat.
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Re: First time Whitetail hunting question
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2024, 03:04:02 PM »
Thank you all for the information I truly appreciate all the insight.
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Re: First time Whitetail hunting question
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2024, 06:51:49 PM »
I hit a deer a few years ago at less then 20 yards with an American Predator in x39. Double lung and knocked the heart. When I fit it it killed and mule kicked about 7 feet in the air then ran about 50 yards and dropped dead. It was the day after thanksgiving so there?s a lot of brown on the ground but you were able to find the blood trail pretty easily and track it down.

It?s your 1st hunt so depending on what kind it is as far as style you may not see a damn think all days my 1st three were a complete bust unless you count the 30 deer that were all over my property when I got home.

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Re: First time Whitetail hunting question
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2024, 01:48:33 PM »
For whitetail deer, I always preferred a neck shot when possible. The neck roast is very tough and if you break the neck with your shot, they drop like a rock.

A Winchester Model 94 in .30-30 with a Weaver 4x scope was more than adequate out to 125 yards for many years.

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Re: First time Whitetail hunting question
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2025, 07:41:00 AM »
Definitely stick with aiming for the boiler room. I have hunted from Alaska to south Africa.  My shot of choice is to put a bullet through the heart.  A white tail will almost always go down within 50 yards and with a double lung or heart shot there is almost always a blood trail that is easy to follow. 

As a side note I have taken both white tail bucks and does with an SKS.  It does the job just fine with good shot placement.

The best advice after that I will offer in the form of a short story that I wrote about one of my first hunts for whitetail in upstate NY:


The Most Important Lesson:

Like most, as a young hunter I longed for my first buck. I didn't take a deer the first season despite numerous sightings. The deer were there. I just couldn't seem to get a clear shot. I saw only tails or running deer instead of still deer offering their shoulders to me. As the second season opened, I wondered if I should take shots that I was not 100% sure of. I only had a tag for antlered deer, so I would at least have to make sure that the deer was a buck before I pulled the trigger. I resolved that I would take a shot at the first buck I saw. There would be no more waiting for the perfect broadside pose. If I could just be sure that it had antlers, I would pull the trigger.

I had one glimpse of a departing tail opening day. My hunting companion bagged a nice six-point opening morning and so after that I was on my own, pitting my wits and knowledge of the terrain against the wily bucks I knew were there. The next day I saw three does trotting across an open field but could not legally take them. By the afternoon of the third day I had buck fever. I thought I could see antlers in every clump of brush. Every fallen log was a buck in his bed to my eyes. I still-hunted away from home all morning. Without much thought, I crossed onto the next farm about noon. I did not doubt that access would be granted if I took the time to ask permission. We were on good terms with the neighbors and the area that I planned to hunt was cropland bordered by woods on one side and a brush-choked streambed well away from any livestock.

It was this stream that drew me over the fence line. I knew that any deer feeling pressured could duck into its gully to skirt the open field on one side and the open hardwoods on the other. I took a position overlooking where the gully ended. Any deer walking that brushy corridor would emerge into my view and either cross the field of corn stubble before me or work up the slope of open hardwoods on the far side of the stream. If a buck walked either of those routes my investment in cold toes and fingers would be well worthwhile. I chose to settle in for a long wait, watching the shadows grow as the afternoon wore on.

Just about the time I was thinking more of my damp seat and cold toes than watching the hedgerow, I became aware of something moving in the gully. A bird flew up at the far range of my vision. Then a moment later, the sound of a snapping twig reached me faintly over the gentle sound of running water. Long minutes passed without revealing the wary buck and I gradually became less alert, lulled by the gurgling stream and the motion of gently swaying saplings. The dappled leaves still holding to them occasionally drifted down to mingle with the berry bushes separating the watercourse from me.
Minutes had passed without any sign of life when a crackle of breaking brush at the near end of the gully shot adrenaline through my veins. There was something unmistakably moving just out of sight and coming my way! I saw the top of a sapling move as something out of sight brushed against its trunk. The yellow poplar leaves drifted against the thick hedge of briars below. The form under the saplings moved closer. Yes, I could see it now. The unmistakable gray of deer hair glimpsed between silver saplings and the screen of red berry stalks. A sneaky old buck must have walked straight down the streambed. The noise of his approach had been covered by the gentle gurgle of running water and muffled by the wall of brush.

My breathing became ragged. My heart pounded in my chest. I could feel every pulse in my shoulders and throat. My palms begin to sweat as my thumb reached for the safety on the rifle that lay heavily in my lap as the animal moved toward me. Oh, if I could only see antlers!

I tightened my grip on the cold stock. I could see the shape of his body through the screen of leaves and thorn brush now. It was about 3-4 feet long, soft gray, 3 feet off the ground and moving slowly, and steadily my way. He was nearly free of the saplings, which, at that point, had a few low branches. We were only separated by the screen of thick thorny blackberry bushes. I thought about the powerful cartridge in the chamber and knew that the briar stems could not sufficiently deflect the bullet from its intended target. I would click off the safety, throw the rifle to my shoulder, and fire the instant I saw antlers. I contemplated the devastation a shot raking from chest to tail would create. Without a doubt the buck would slump in his tracks and I would have to drag him up the stream bank and out of those thorn bushes. Perhaps I should let him step clear? He was coming the right way. I realized that I was holding my breath. Then I saw the antlers.

I could not help but pause at the sight of them. I had dreamed of this moment for so very long. This was going to be my first buck, and, oh, what antlers they were! Powerfully thrusting through the thick berry bushes, the antlers shoved through the briar screen and broke into the open. With raking motions, the rack moved toward me. I saw three long tines on each side and thick brow tines sweeping ahead of a gray hulking body almost as tall as the low sapling branches. I heard the briar stems breaking. I could even hear his breath and began to raise the rifle.

I never fired. I never finished clicking off the safety. In fact, I never even raised the rifle from my lap. I sat stone still with the kind of chill in my soul that I hope I never feel again. Long minutes later I was quite alone at the edge of that field. For what I saw as that matched set of perfect antlers was thrust clear of the briars, was that they quickly split apart and fell earthward when the man who held them stood up. This hunter, with rifle slung over his shoulder, had bent at the waist to move under the low branches and held his rattling antlers in either hand to push thorns away from his face as he climbed the stream bank. He never knew I was there. He never knew how close his tree bark camouflage had brought him to being a terrible statistic. As I look back now, decades later, I do not recall seeing any red or blaze clothing at all. What I do recall is that my hands shook as I took them off the unused rifle and silently thanked God that I had learned the most valuable lesson of hunting without tragedy.

I've taken dozens deer from that same area in upstate NY over the seasons that followed. But a few years ago, I went deerless. I heard my buck working a rub, and caught glimpses of his gray hide moving away through the hardwoods in the last light of day on the last day of the season, but I let him walk into the shadows with my tag unfilled. I was 99% sure of my target. But 99% is not sure enough, because years before I had learned that safety is the most important hunting lesson of all.





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