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Something a little different BRN-180
« on: December 11, 2022, 08:15:17 PM »
I have been tempted many times to buy or convert one of my AR uppers to a piston system, never pulled that trigger though for one reason or another.  I had looked seriously at several different ones as time went by, like POF, Aero/Superlative Arms and Adams Arms uppers. They all seemed fine, even if all had some issue or another mostly the bolt tilt issue which is not that concerning, but considering the cost I really hesitated buying essentially just a modified AR upper.  Since I am trying to run most everything suppressed anymore, the piston systems were even more desirable lately. 

I had read the hype about the Brownells AR18 revived uppers when they came out, but like any new design they had some teething issues so ignored them for the last couple years.   However I saw they had revised some things and fixed their issues mostly so far as I could tell from newer reviews.  The cost was still an issue so I put them on wish lists etc.  When Black Friday came along they had coupon codes for really good discounts, 15% off in this case, with their already reduced price from near a $1000 down to around $800 with the discount down to around $680, still expensive but not sell a kidney expensive.

The thing that drew me to the BRN180 (and PSA JAKL) was the captured recoil, so no need for a buffer tube, and hence the ability to use a folding stock.   This would have been a major appeal if
A: the ATF would not have become such douchebags about braces for short barrel options, and ...
B: they only came in 10.5". 
I have been playing with pistol uppers and find the 12.5" and 13.5" keep much more ballistic integrity in real world drop at ranges even a little beyond 100yds. I may have even went with a 11.5" but nope, the bandwagon for 10.5" 5.56 is universal it seems.  Anyway, I went with the 16", I figure I can always go shorter if the ATF falls into the pit of hell where they belong...but I digress. :)

They have 2 versions,  Gen 2 and gen 2 sport.  The regular gen2 has a funky zigzag charge handle and dust cover for gaping hole behind the bolt in the receiver, the Sport has no cover, but a straight charge handle much like an SKS.
They also had color choices, OD, FDE and black, I went with a the FDE version though it said it was the sport, I like the straight bolt better.  When I got it it's the regular version with the dust cover.  Not huge issue either way for me.

It shoots well, has a nice smooth cycle.  It would not run on the suppressed setting with a 30 cal can on, I switched to unsuppressed and it ran fine.  I have not done any accuracy testing yet, just ringing steel, youtubers say to look for 2 moa average.
 
The thread is worthless without pics, so here it was the day I got wearing a Burris RT-3




Here is a shot of the charge handle and port cover. I am experimenting with a Sig Romeo7 and Lucid 2-5x magnifier.




Bolt carrier group and recoil system
Retaining system similar to an AR, looks like maybe the firing pin is the same.




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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2022, 11:48:24 PM »
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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2022, 02:06:48 AM »
No problems here.
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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2022, 07:14:14 AM »
Nice set up!

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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2022, 07:48:40 AM »
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Probably from the pictures I am hosting, has to do with the security certificate, but nothing harmful from it.
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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2022, 10:06:53 AM »
Nice set up. The PSA Jakl does interest me a lot but I’m waiting to see how this entire brace thing works out. I’m sure there will be two years of litigation before we know.  Do you think the reason why it doesn’t cycle on suppressed setting is because you are using a .30 cal can vs a dedicated .223 can?

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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2022, 10:42:37 AM »
Are you not wanting to do a tax stamp for it? I think it would be worth the hassle for a project like this.
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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2022, 02:15:38 PM »
I won't beg the ATF again for a damn thing after what they did to me.  Should the circumstance change for SBRs I would probably do one.   Like I said, a 12" version would be awesome even more so with a folding stock.

As far as the cycling goes it was under gassed with the 30 cal can on the suppressed setting, I don't have a 5.56 can to try and see if that works better.  With it on unsuppressed it was a harsher feeling recoil of course, but I didn't notice that much difference unsuppressed than with my can on, I'm sure some different suppressors will that have more back pressure.  I have read if you want to run a 30 cal can you can drill the port out on the piston gas selector cup.  I'm not that worried about it right now, at some point I will experiment more and hopefully try a true 5.56 can.

That was one of the upgrades on the Gen2, the 1/4 turn selectable gas selector cup, gen 1 you had to swap cups.  If they ever do a gen 3 I would suggest either extending the selector to the end of hand guard to shorten the handguard an inch or so, so you can reach it, as it is you have to use a flat head screwdriver to reach it.  Also give 3 settings not just the 2.  You don't need 5 or more gas settings like some have, but this is a prime example of at least a medium setting would be beneficial.

If they could figure a way to seal the receiver without a dust cover, like maybe a rubber gasket the bolt handle can travel through a cut.  A lower or straight charge handle, which they have a straight one but it then omits the dust cover because they couldn't figure out how to make it work with it. 

I didn't mind the charge handle as much as I thought I would, its easy to find and use, but its high enough it may interfere with some optic mounts or scrape knuckles using it with them.   The nice part is it just comes right out pulling the bolt back enough to line a hole for it pass through, so swapping it is dirt simple.  They are supposedly looking to make a straight one that works with the dust cover, but I may buy an extra to mod if they don't come out with one.
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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2022, 02:33:55 PM »
FYI:  I'm getting a "malicious website" warning when I try to view this thread . . .

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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2022, 02:43:16 PM »
I have the Gen 2 BRN-180 upper and love it because it runs reliable and clean, with over 1000 rounds of cheap Russian .223 through it (still haven't cleaned it yet).  Another plus is that I can run a folding stock without paying $250 for the Law Tactical.

I've had it for a few years now and thought I had posted previously, but I expect that's just my memory playing tricks on me again.  I'll see it I can post a few photos after work.  Here's the only thing I could find about my build:  https://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=151508.0.

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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2022, 07:46:19 PM »
I completely forgot you bought one, I should have picked your brain beforehand because I was struggling deciding between the regular and sport version, not that it matters much I guess, I probably would have done what I did anyway.

I don't remember you posting pics or it may have came back, but I do remember the discussion about prism scopes and triggers on your build now that you mention it.   

Which folding stock?  I have been eyeing the Sylvan arms adapter so I can still use the lower on other AR uppers.  But I am envisioning a Zhukov stock if I could adapt in on there. Make both AR and AK guys pull their hair out.  :lol:

I know you tried the Sig prism scope and was not impressed, I really do like those Burris RT-3s, but thought I would play around with the magnifier since I picked one up cheap enough and I bought the red dot on black Friday.  Mostly I have been favoring the 1-6x and 1-8x LPVOs on most of my stuff except the short barrels or 9mm upper.
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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2022, 09:57:57 PM »
FYI:  I'm getting a "malicious website" warning when I try to view this thread . . .

No squawking from my work computer . . . so at least now I can read the thread on my break.

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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2022, 09:59:58 PM »
Here's some photos of mine.  The stock is 9" Tubular Folder made by CNC Warrior:  https://www.cncwarrior.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=28095-0012.  The butt pad is a Limbsaver for a Magpul Stock (I had to open up the holes a touch).  The adapter is a KNS unit:  https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1022440015?pid=386407.

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Re: Something a little different BRN-180
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2022, 12:33:24 PM »
I won't beg the ATF again for a damn thing after what they did to me.  Should the circumstance change for SBRs I would probably do one.

I can understand that. The FBI was playing games with my last 2 submissions. Had to get my senator involved and about a week later they both were magically approved same day lol.
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