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Magnusian

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2014, 10:44:28 AM »
Hi Murray, about a week ago (13th) I purchased one of your firing pins through hical.ca, the Canadian distributor you link to on your site. They were out of stock for awhile but just recently got more in about a day before I ordered, about two weeks after your post about getting the new stock in. Their store page still says 420 SS and has the "new for 2007" description, is this just an oversight on their part due to the recent changes you've made? Can I expect the pin that is in the mail on it's way to me right now to be one of the new ones?

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2014, 11:13:24 AM »
Yes Sir, HiCal just received a batch of our new 17-4 SS F Pins and that is what you received. They just haven't updated their site just yet.

And if you ever experience the troublesome popped primers with the imported Russian Berdan primed ammo, they can do the new "Neck & Throat" chamber reaming service for you also.  8)

Details and customer feedback can be found in this thread. (scroll down to Jan 2 post)
http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=38792.60

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2014, 11:25:41 AM »
Thanks for the quick reponse. The pin itself actually just got delivered, though thanks to an old paypal address book it got sent to the office I used to work in and I'm trying to find an old coworker to ship it to me. I'd be checking it out right now if I hadn't just gone through the "ugh paypal, click, type, click, click, click" motions. :oops:

I've been shooting new-manufacture non-corrosive berdan Russian ammo. Barnaul is the brand, I have some MFS in the mail as well. It's about 10-15 cents more per round than the surplus corrosive and I figured well worth the cost as sometimes I do forget to do post-shooting cleanings. Is this the stuff that causes the popped primers issue with or is it the surplus?

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2014, 11:44:52 AM »
We've had customers reports and had them send us their bolts that obviously had experienced popped primers, with Wolf (all types) Herters, Tulammo, MFS, Brown Bear, Silver Bear, Golden Tiger, Barnaul etc etc. Doesn't seem to be any that do not experience this problem, except the lucky few that still have some of the Chinese Berdan primed ammo. And of course, it never happens with Boxer primed ammo.

Golden Tiger seems to have less of a reputation of this happening, but a couple of customers have experienced it with this ammo as well.
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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2014, 12:42:54 PM »
Unfortunately up here boxer-primed is findable, but uncommon enough to rarely be in stock for long, especially in bulk. Most places seem to only stock the surplus or new manufacture russian, or have in-store pickup only and are on the wrong side of the country. It's also that time of year when most ammunition seems to be running out of stock on everything. Right now non-corrosive is actually more readily avaliable than even surplus corrosive. Heck, it took me a week just to track down the 12ga target loads I use for trap shooting, and even bulk .22lr is running low. I've been thinking about getting into reloading just because of scarcity.

I'd consider the N&T service through hical but they are on the other side of the country and I would like to keep any modifications made to this particular SKS completely reversable, including no machining. It's something I'd definitely look into if I end up picking up another.

I've read elsewhere on this site that the problem can be solved with some very gentle filing to round off the edges of the face of the firing pin. What is your opinion on doing this in place of N&T reaming?

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2014, 03:34:35 PM »
Some original FPs we've seen had very sharp cornered tips and rounding of square corners and polishing would definitely be helpful as it would create less stresses on the primer. But all the holes we've seen in primers are exactly the same size as the FP hole, not the same size as the much smaller tip of the FP. And taking away the sharp edged nature of the FP hole, as we do with our "bolt face treatment" reduces stresses as well. And for some, the combination of those two might be enough to prevent primer failure.

But we had one customer experiencing a high percentage of popped primers, and he shortened, rounded and polished his FP down in .005 increments. We were somewhat surprised that he got down to .035 protrusion and still had consistent ignition, but he still had popped primers. So it's definitely a YMMV type of deal, but the only "sure cure" seems to be the "Neck & Throat" chamber reaming.

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2014, 10:45:36 PM »
Thanks for the clarification. I guess if I end up having a problem with popped primers then sacrificing some of the rifle's originality for the sake of safety would be the route to go.

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2014, 06:55:09 AM »
I just notice this post, I have 2 "improved" firing pins from march of 2013, those are replacement for the first gen pin that failed, and one of the improved pins also failed after 20 or so rounds, so i removed the one good and one broken pin and put back in the original free floating pins and forgot about it, till now, as I am starting to tinker with the sks again.
am i safe to assume i have the inferior 420 stainless batch?

i sent in the carriers and bolt last time for the replacement pins so the cut out mod had already been done.

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2014, 04:22:56 PM »
Murray,

I just want to say thanks. Instead of hiding from the problem, you met it head on and offered and explanation, a plan of action and a solution. I wish ALL companies operated like yours.

I have never used your services (no SKS's), but I just wanted to let you know that others in the gun world do appreciate what you do and how you handle business. This is exactly why I do and will always refer my friends with SKS's to you.

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2014, 11:42:45 AM »
HoLun, I believe we got you taken care of via PMs. Let us know if you need anything else.

And Thanks, cbdolphin!! We appreciate the kind words, and especially like the word of mouth advertising.  8)
What?! No SKSs? shhh maybe no one will notice.  :lol:

And if any of your friends have ARs, we're doing pretty much the same thing to them.
http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=121835.0
Allows the use of 5.56 ammo without high pressure issues.

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2014, 04:18:44 PM »
I had one of the firing pins break, from the bad batch.

At the time my pin broke, the new firing pins were not available. Murray sent me a replacement firing pin to get me by, until the new batch was ready.

Once the new pins came in, Murray sent me ANOTHER firing pin.

I wasn't pushy, or demanded that he send me multiple firing pins...he was the one that offered, without me even asking.

The way that Murray handled this situation, was spectacular!

To say, that Murray offers AMAZING customer service, would be an understatement!

 

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2014, 10:56:59 AM »
Just doing our best to keep these milsurps running. But glad you're pleased.

And this new batch is definitely living up to expectations. Over 1500 of the new 17-4 SS FPs shipped, and none broken. Ok, maybe a couple bent from especially strong popped primer events, but once that is cured, the FP and the spring should last a lifetime and more.

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2014, 05:55:46 PM »
We are extremely pleased with the outcome of the change in material of these new Firing Pins! Since Jan 29, 2014 we’ve shipped over 2,500 FPs and not one has been reported broken. A couple have been bent from extreme “Popped Primer” incidents but absolutely none have been reported or returned broken. We’ve definitely cured the problem we encountered.

And the new “cure” for the troublesome “Popped Primers” issue is proving to be 100% successful at preventing them, and allowing you to shoot any and all ammo available in America and Canada without those troublesome pieces of primers, ruined FP Springs, ruined original FPs, misfires etc. If you haven’t visited our “Neck & Throat” chamber reaming service page, please do so. It’s the best investment you can make to insure your SKS runs consistently, with any ammo.

Thanks for everyone’s patience and support during this time, and if you ever have any doubt about the quality of the product you received, please let us know.
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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2015, 07:41:34 PM »
Just bought one of your Firing Pin Kits.
Graham in N Ft Myers.
I bought one years ago (2006 or 7) but sold the SKS and moved to Seattle.
But we are back in Florida.

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Re: Bad Press Re: Our Firing Pins (The Perfect Storm)
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2015, 05:25:46 PM »
Hi Ben,

Unfortunately, it appears I have a firing pin from the earlier batch that exhibited broken firing pins.   

You see, I bought your firing pin a while back (July, 2012) from Brownells for an SKS project I had on the drawing board.  As fate would have it, work and graduate school got in way, so I had to postpone the project, until this winter.  As such, the firing pin has just been sitting in a parts box.  Essentially, its brand new. 

The installation was straightforward.  Moreover, being that I'm very comfortable working on my own SKS rifles, I'm confident I installed the firing pin correctly. 

Anyway, upon completing my SKS project, I was dry firing the rifle to assess the weight of the trigger pull.  I thought nothing of it, until I field-stripped the rifle, and I found the tip of the firing pin protruding much further out of the hole on the bolt face.

I immediately disassembled the bolt, and removed what is now TWO pieces of the firing pin.

Can I please return the broken firing pin for a replacement?

Thanks in advance!

UPDATE:
I received a replacement firing pin from Murray's.  I really appreciate the top-notch customer service, as well as Ben standing behind his product.  Thanks!   8)
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