Even with rust they both a steal at that price. I couldnt get my walet out fast enough if I saw a deal like that. The last 1887 China unit I saw on GB went for over 600 bid. The coach is Turkish I think but relatively reliable as a knock around gun as you would know. I remember a review of the Chinese 87 when they first came out and they were by no means as smooth as a Winchester but they said it did free up a little after a few boxes were shot threw it. Maybe the owner all ready broke it in? I bet you could triple your money on the 87 just parting it out. I would like to own one just for the unique design and like I said, this is one of those deals, I would hurry up and give him what he wants before he changes his mind. If you get them, picture them up!