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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2013, 03:02:25 AM »
PedleyDan:
Your story sounds like same problems I was having till Murray worked his magic.
I also tried just the updated pin with spring just to fry it.
After having it necked out and latest pin installed, no problem.

At the time I was having problems I had about 1300 rds of tula, I have about 150 rds left and still working great. I will post pictures of them last 150 next weekend.
Now that my company moved me to another state I managed to get a house that I can shoot in the yard, much nicer. About 300 yards is the limit for a target here but my wife can make that no problem, I am not that good..

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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #61 on: December 19, 2013, 05:56:01 PM »
 :lol:  Didn't you know...women are notoriously good shooters!!

But let me get this straight. You have fired approximately 1,150 rounds since having the new "Neck & Throat" reaming service done, with No Popped Primers?

Expected that to be the case, but it sure is good to hear about it!!!
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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #62 on: December 27, 2013, 12:31:21 PM »
sorry for the delay in post, work is busy this time of year.

Ben, I cant thank you enough, I have fired at leased that much, not one problem. When I look at the shells, not one have I found popped, when I pull the bolt and pin for cleaning, firing pin is clean.
I have a decent stock of good ammo now but considering buying more Tula (I know you didn't want to hear that) before we cant get ammo anymore due to lack of lead. Would have never considered buying more before the throat and neck work you did.  I took pictures of some of the shells but my camera has some kind of link problem and cant get pics to computer, I will have to get a new camera and try again. I did save them.
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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #63 on: December 27, 2013, 12:50:23 PM »
No problems, we understand. Thanks for the confirmation of your report!! And we are delighted to have been of service to you.

Yeah, we used to rag on Wolff (Russians) pretty bad for sending us crummy ammo, but with the new "Neck & Throat" chamber reaming service, that has become a thing of the past. Just look at my sig line at the bottom of all posts.  8)

Shoot all the Berdan primed ammo you want!! Sure won't cause you any problems now.  =D>

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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #64 on: December 27, 2013, 05:19:50 PM »


The last of my Tula, fired today (12-27-13)  Thanks Ben!!!! :lol:

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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #65 on: December 27, 2013, 06:58:14 PM »
No problems, we understand. Thanks for the confirmation of your report!! And we are delighted to have been of service to you.

Yeah, we used to rag on Wolff (Russians) pretty bad for sending us crummy ammo, but with the new "Neck & Throat" chamber reaming service, that has become a thing of the past. Just look at my sig line at the bottom of all posts.  8)

Shoot all the Berdan primed ammo you want!! Sure won't cause you any problems now.  =D>

That's great to hear Ben.
Look how long we've heard of people having this problem.

Question: Do you still feel that the bolt face on some guns still need rework?
Or is the Neck & Throat job all that needs to be done?

I'm just guessing here but it must've been the extra pressure produced
from the irregular "crimped" areas of the chamber neck that was the culprit?


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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #66 on: December 28, 2013, 03:29:24 PM »


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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2013, 10:27:04 AM »
No problems, we understand. Thanks for the confirmation of your report!! And we are delighted to have been of service to you.

Yeah, we used to rag on Wolff (Russians) pretty bad for sending us crummy ammo, but with the new "Neck & Throat" chamber reaming service, that has become a thing of the past. Just look at my sig line at the bottom of all posts.  8)

Shoot all the Berdan primed ammo you want!! Sure won't cause you any problems now.  =D>

That's great to hear Ben.
Look how long we've heard of people having this problem.

Question: Do you still feel that the bolt face on some guns still need rework?
Or is the Neck & Throat job all that needs to be done?

I'm just guessing here but it must've been the extra pressure produced
from the irregular "crimped" areas of the chamber neck that was the culprit?

Yes Sir, I recall seeing my first popped primer back in 1990/91 time frame. So you can just imagine how pleased we are to be able to offer this service.  =D>

While a perfectly flat bolt face and a firing pin hole that does not have a sharp edge would be preferred, the chamber reaming may be enough to forego doing any bolt face work. We could try it, but we've gone ahead and done the bolt face work while we had the customers parts here, but wouldn't mind at all applying the chamber reaming service without any bolt face work.

I think the bullets contacting the lands so quickly after ignition was causing the spikes in the peak chamber pressure and the extra "leade" allows the bullet to move just enough before contacting the lands that it reduces those spikes and allows normal function.

Thanks for the photos of all the "un-Popped Primers" gruet782!! "Proof Positive!"  8)

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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2013, 02:34:56 PM »
I have a bunch more I can take photos of but I think we see it works. I have fired about 1300 rounds, Another thing I notice was no FTF.. no jams, just worked great...

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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2013, 02:52:14 PM »
Yes Sir, once you've seen one "Non popped primer" empty, you've seen them all.  :)

Since popped primers, or more accurately the pieces of primers from those incidents, are to blame for many misfires, and can also cause things to jam up, I'd say you're good to go for thousands more.

You're more than welcome!
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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2013, 04:33:15 PM »
While a perfectly flat bolt face and a firing pin hole that does not have a sharp edge would be preferred, the chamber reaming may be enough to forego doing any bolt face work. We could try it, but we've gone ahead and done the bolt face work while we had the customers parts here, but wouldn't mind at all applying the chamber reaming service without any bolt face work.

Sounds good Ben!
You've done a great service getting to the bottom of this problem.
Thanks again! 8)

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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2014, 11:29:48 AM »
Here's a rough draft of our soon to be new web page:

Our original Popped Primers page, that referred to the bolt face treatment, (stoning bolt face flat and countersinking the FP hole) described our best effort at reducing or possibly eliminating incidents of popped primers when shooting the imported Russian Berdan primed ammo. And for some customers, that did the trick. But for others, not always. The issue has been troublesome since the late 80s when we were getting spam cans of “milsurp” ammo, but it seems to be an even worse problem in recent months and years.

But now we can offer our new “Neck & Throat” chamber reaming service that has so far proven to be a 100% cure for this problem. We use a special reamer, mfg’d.for us  by Manson, that enlarges the Neck Diameter a thousandth or two and extends the leade, or freebore approximately ¼”. This reduces the spikes in the Peak Chamber Pressure and simply stops Popped Primers from ever happening again, no matter what ammo you use. And it has no effect whatsoever on your ability to use Boxer primed ammo. But if you’re using exclusively Boxer primed ammo, Popped Primers are not a problem for you.

Many Benchresters are likely to scoff at this idea as their train of thought is this would degrade the accuracy of the gun considerably. But considering that Weatherby has calibers with as much as ¾” freebore, that easily shoot 1” groups at 100 Yds, our relatively minor ¼” additional freebore does not have any negative effects on accuracy. Our test guns and many Beta Testers have already proven “no change in accuracy.”

Some may say that removing the chrome from the bore of Russian and Chinese would promote degradation of the bore. But in most of these “milsurp” guns, the chrome has been reduced considerably or possibly been shot out entirely. Simple regular cleaning as you normally would is all it takes to care for it.

This photo is simply a line of AK and SKS barrels that were “Neck & throat” reamed and then cut in half. The AK stub and the Chinese SKS stub on the far left, were done with our first prototype reamer. As can be seen, not much extension of the freebore was done with this reamer, but the samples do give a good base line of what an untouched chamber might look like. The prototype reamer just barely kissed the lands. But in the rest of the examples, you can easily see that the freebore has been enlarged by a thousandth or two, and extended about ¼”, by our final "up to spec" reamer.



This photo shows the barely extended freebore on the left, and a Yugo stub with the ¼” extended freebore on the right.



This is the same photo with a scale in place to show approximate dimensions of freebore extension.



This photo shows the extent a chamber can be affected by years of use/abuse. Notice the uncut areas that have already been eaten away from heat and corrosion. And our “Neck & Throat” reamer just seems to clean them up nicely, possibly extending the service life.



All we need to perform this service for you is your barreled receiver. (If it has a bayonet, do not try to remove it) And our FFL is linked below for your convenience. Print a copy for your records, have a copy available to show the shipper, if requested, and we highly recommend you include a copy inside the box with the barreled receiver. You can ship it yourself, no need to involve an FFL holder on your end, as we’ll be able to return ship directly to you at your home or office, wherever you’ll be to accept the package. (Your state laws may require an FFL ship it)  USPS, UPS and FedEx all work fine for us with UPS being slightly cheaper in most cases. Use whichever is the most convenient for you. Please be sure to pad the barreled receiver for minimal movement inside the box.

The cost for this service is $30.00 + $20.00 for return shipping. (UPS ground) And our turnaround at this time is at a minimum, considering what it was in late ’12 and early ’13. So send yours in today, and when you get it back you’ll be able to shoot any and all 7.62X39 ammo available in America or Canada. Our Mail-in form is also linked below, please include a copy of it in the package as well.

(Links will be available on the actual web page.)

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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2014, 03:47:38 PM »
I was having problems with my Chinese SKS and Wolf ammo. The recently bought ammo was firing at about 20% for about a hundred rounds, then not at all. I took the firing pin out and the spring was "fried" and there was primer residue inside also - the reason it stopped firing. Ben Murray put in a stronger firing pin spring and he also did the "neck and throat" reaming service. Because it is winter and too cold for me to shoot much, I have only shot about 100 rounds - same Wolf ammo. Now It is firing at 100%. Also I took the firing pin apart and the spring is still in excellent condition and free of primer residue. Ben was a lifesaver and he didn't tie my rifle up for a long period of time. He was very quick to email me with his thoughts about my problems - he even sent photos explaining my problem. He and his staff are very friendly and exceptionally helpful. Now I can enjoy my rifle with confidence. 

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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #73 on: January 03, 2014, 08:39:01 PM »
Sims..
After Neck and Throat, I am sure you will be as happy as my wife and I are. Over 1300 fired and just got 500 more Tula for target.
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Re: Popped Primer Problem (update 6-28-13 Found a CURE)
« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2014, 11:46:02 AM »
Attention Canadians!!!

The new "Neck & Throat" chamber reaming service is now available in your country. Get in touch with these boys and they can make your SKS reliable, even when shooting the Russian Berdan primed ammo. We've heard the reports, and obviously Canadians are experiencing popped primers as much as Americans, but Hi-Cal can put a stop to that.   8)

http://www.hical.ca/

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