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General Discussion / Re: Bombing Iran: Round 2
« Last post by Danjal on Yesterday at 09:46:51 PM »
Blueprints aren't, but flat out giving them a nuke will come back on those that did eventually along with the consequences. China, Russia, and the Norks know exactly what they're doing and the rest of the world let them get away with it for profit margins and natural gas.

The Norks were given pretty much the same deal with Russia, Pakistan, and China. Let's be honest here too. If anyone on this board said "Here's the plans to an open bolt sub machine gun, here's my number you can call when you make it so I can walk you through it. But just make a non firing replica that still feeds but doesn't have the firing pin." we'd all agree to string them both up before they got caught robbing the local quikee mart. China, Russia, nd North Korea know damned well what they're doing and what Iran is after here.
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General Discussion / Re: Bombing Iran: Round 2
« Last post by Onepoint on Yesterday at 05:23:27 PM »
Blueprints are not radioactive.  Iran has built or reverse engineered much of the strategic stuff they have aside from the stock of air defense and tactical missiles etc they trade for. They will build a nuke using their own fissionable material, but they certainly are not reinventing the wheel as apparently NK did using available open source data and trial and error, hence the push to keep them from creating the material.  China's deal was to dangle the carrot of how to enrich in exchange for oil sales with the cover of saying it was for power generation.  But they didn't need to get them an actual weapon without getting them armed with one quickly if they wanted and it still would not have had a Chinese radioactive signature.
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General Discussion / Re: Bombing Iran: Round 2
« Last post by Danjal on Yesterday at 03:23:16 PM »
The warhead problem is more complicated than you think also. Nuclear weapon radiation has its own fingerprint so to say. From this they can get origin as well as other vital information. Feeding the Iranians a weapon would be suicidal for any modern nation if it's used.
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NEW MEMBER INTRODUCTION FORUM / Re: New guy in Texas
« Last post by Greatguns on Yesterday at 10:11:35 AM »
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General Discussion / Re: Bombing Iran: Round 2
« Last post by Onepoint on Yesterday at 09:53:01 AM »
Yes, China has a large hand in their enrichment program.  But actual warhead development is being helped covertly by NK.  I agree, they have never stopped their nuke program, all the diplomatic efforts have been simple gas lighting since their leader stated they would never give it up and they never adhered to any of the stipulations of any of the agreements they made. And its not for energy security. That's just BS, everyone knows why they wanted higher enrichment than what is called for in a power generation reactor. But while we are cutting through the BS, any claim they were "weeks away" is just as much so.  Especially when Israel and the US have repeatedly attacked their program and claimed it was set back years, while Trump claimed "total destruction" of it just months ago.  Like I said, If China and Russia really wanted them armed with a weapon they would have had it by now, like they have conveniently "developed" hypersonic missiles all on their own that is suspiciously copies of Russian tech.

I have no problem with final confrontation with a govt that has chanted "death to America" for 40+ years, but lets not pretend this was about them imminently nuking anyone, this was about denying resources for a more intense war in the future.  And frankly I am glad someone is finally addressing that elephant on the room, even though it has been and will be even more costly, it could possibly deter a future more impactful and costly war at best, or weigh that in our favor at worst.

 The libertarian idea we can ignore away threats is more than naive, and while I dislike military adventurism, sometimes force projection is a solid defense strategy in a world where there are no perfect solutions to actual threats.
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NEW MEMBER INTRODUCTION FORUM / Re: New guy in Texas
« Last post by Filroy77 on Yesterday at 09:52:38 AM »
Welcome aboard!  8) From Arizona.
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General Discussion / Re: Bombing Iran: Round 2
« Last post by JimmyJamesKY on March 06, 2026, 05:45:11 PM »
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Yes, as corrupt and vile as our "elite" are, Iran has no high moral ground, certainly not any more than us. If in the end we ultimately fight over the principles each side represents, then they certainly have no moral ground at all.

Totally agree.  I wasn't making the case for Iranian morality, Islam in general is a death cult, and misery is baked into their political beliefs.  I was just surprised to see them burning pagan idols and occult symbols as a protest to America.  A Christian country with a Luciferian government isn't too far off the mark. 

I'd still rather live in the worst part of the U.S. than the best part of Iran.  On the whole, we're a nation of decent people, although less so by the day.  It's the secret chiefs at the top that are diabolical.

I'm still a proud American!
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General Discussion / Re: Bombing Iran: Round 2
« Last post by Danjal on March 06, 2026, 03:37:12 PM »
Missiles yes, but the payload tech has mostly being shared by NK.  I don't think China is that interested in a nuclear armed fanatical govt who consider them infidels as much as us, but are dependent on their oil with the only thing in common is us as an enemy.  They are happy to keep them armed enough to be leverage on the west, much like NK. But only want them at force parity with their neighbors.  If Russia or China really wanted them nuked up, they would have them by now.  That's not to say they would not ever get or develop them indigenously, but they have to have help in doing so, which NK provides more than anyone else.

China gave the Iranians research reactors and tech expertise in the 90's and direct sales due to economic pressure. China is very much an exporting nation getting rich off other countries, they protect it with fervor. One that we'll see here soon because Iran exported 90% or so of its oil to China.

China has also been using industry contacts to smuggle in nuclear tech and materials well after the sanctions in '97.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/karl-lee-charged-manhattan-federal-court-using-web-front-companies-evade-us-sanctions

Chinese assistance in the development of a uranium conversion facility at Isfaha. Reactor and centrifuge blueprints. After that they're treading grey areas for nuclear "power" use. Over 100 Chinese companies have been sanctioned since 2018 due to infractions of nuclear, drone, and nuclear assistance from Chiona alone into Iran.
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/MASTER-Sanctions-chart-508-Updates-Aug-2023-1.pdf

They never quit; they just made it more of a roundabout issue for Iran getting nuclear capabilities. Sure the Norks have been providing more assistance, more than likely through China and Russia. It benefits the Chinese for the US to put pressure on Iran and NK in the way of trade and tech transfers all while shielding both nations form the UN and other world government entities.
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General Discussion / Re: Bombing Iran: Round 2
« Last post by Onepoint on March 06, 2026, 02:26:21 PM »
Missiles yes, but the payload tech has mostly being shared by NK.  I don't think China is that interested in a nuclear armed fanatical govt who consider them infidels as much as us, but are dependent on their oil with the only thing in common is us as an enemy.  They are happy to keep them armed enough to be leverage on the west, much like NK. But only want them at force parity with their neighbors.  If Russia or China really wanted them nuked up, they would have them by now.  That's not to say they would not ever get or develop them indigenously, but they have to have help in doing so, which NK provides more than anyone else.


 JimmyJamesKY
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Much of that spiritual wickedness is embedded in our own government, and certainly in the government of Iran AND Israel.
Yes, as corrupt and vile as our "elite" are, Iran has no high moral ground, certainly not any more than us. If in the end we ultimately fight over the principles each side represents, then they certainly have no moral ground at all.  The ayatollahs were the epitome of grievance culture, and have punished their countrymen for it for 40+ years.

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General Discussion / Re: Bombing Iran: Round 2
« Last post by Danjal on March 06, 2026, 01:38:51 PM »
If left alone they might have developed a workable weapon at some point with NK aid,

Or Russia, China, etc. They already have been sold or given missiles by all three in some form.
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