Bombing Iran: Round 2

[Danjal]

.. I would guess probably going to target...

Well, they already struck Iran. In the daytime to boot. One of the other palaces, nuclear, missile sites, and command bases were hit. F22s are in the region also, so be prepared more air strikes. They crippled their antiair sites, the F22s will mop up anything flying.

[Onepoint]

Yeah just caught the news. 
The "allies" in the area are not allowing staging from the bases, presumably to preempt Trump from starting ****.  So he rolled in with 2 carrier groups, I don't think it was a shock other than when.

 Trump is mighty cavalier with the use of military despite his no more war rhetoric. Not that I care for Iran, but if you want to unify people anywhere, except maybe here, pose external threat to their country. Time will tell.  The conspiracy claims of Israel pulling strings is getting harder to ignore when you go in with joint strikes.  I imagine both are hoping that Iran's regime will topple with pressure from inside and out, but that's more unlikely now, with history to back that up. Other than that there is no clear goal here other than inflict damage.

The bigger picture is this is more destabilizing of BRICs and specifically weakening China, I suspect the intel about Chinese plans has lit a fire under Trump.  Yet here we are where you literally can't tell congress because many will side with China and leak intel as well as openly oppose anything that is pro American operations. In fact I bet we hear the left side with Iran before noon.  The one thing Trump has done is unveiled our new tech, and its specifically a message to China, lets hope it isn't premature before its really needed and already countered.

[thresher_593]

Woke up to hear this.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/historic-us-israel-strikes-iran-underway-tehran-faces-regime-survival-test

Guess the Mexicans are safe for a week or two.

[thresher_593]

Tim Kaine has already issued a statement with his condemnation and demands a Senate resolution banning the action.

[Onepoint]

Aid and comfort of the enemy? I think there is a term for that.

[Onepoint]

AS I said in the other thread, no real surprise, Trump doesn't bluff and he moved 2 carrier groups to the gulf plus pre stationed bombers etc.  Iran had elected to receive regardless.

[Danjal]

Yeah just caught the news. 
The "allies" in the area are not allowing staging from the bases, presumably to preempt Trump from starting ****. 

The conspiracy claims of Israel pulling strings is getting harder to ignore when you go in with joint strikes.  I imagine both are hoping that Iran's regime will topple with pressure from inside and out, but that's more unlikely now, with history to back that up. Other than that there is no clear goal here other than inflict damage.

The bigger picture is this is more destabilizing of BRICs and specifically weakening China, I suspect the intel about Chinese plans has lit a fire under Trump.  Yet here we are where you literally can't tell congress because many will side with China and leak intel as well as openly oppose anything that is pro American operations. In fact I bet we hear the left side with Iran before noon.  The one thing Trump has done is unveiled our new tech, and its specifically a message to China, lets hope it isn't premature before its really needed and already countered.

I hadn't heard that about not being able to stage out of bases. If anything they might not have enough of a missile defense and just pulled to closer targets out so they couldn't be easily hit al la Oct 7th and overwhelming the iron dome again.

Of course Israel wants to dismantle Iran, they're thee top funding body for all of their biggest enemies. Iran constantly tries to destabilize the entire region because they can't just go in and conquer the area. I wouldn't be surprised if the Saudis get involved due to bad blood and wanting more control of the region. The Saudis are pretty much in a 80's cold war period with proxy wars that we can see in Yemen and Syria. Any damage done to Iran is good for those two, even better if they can dismantle key military targets, operations, or even supply/manufacturing.

China more than likely has the intel already. The US is leaking intel worse than a burlap bag trying to hold water. US consumer data is doing a ton of the work for human movements in country, after that they've been teaming up with retirees in the military sector, commercial research, and others to steal anything they can get. China has by far and large one of, if not the top, spy networks in the world. To top that off, we know they're using AI spies well ahead of anyone else. Android, apple, and windows devices are already hacked by them, they're also going for satellite comms. China has already stolen F22 and F35 documentation, which we've seen the impact of already. Hypersonic missiles have been fielded ahead of the US, and more.

[Onepoint]

Apparently a few videos show  an Iranian missile striking the US 5th fleet headquarters building in Bahrain, though I read it was evacuated previously. 

[thresher_593]

Israeli officials are claiming the Supreme Leader has been killed by one of the strikes.

Time to see if the Iranian people are going to stand up and take control.

Chuck Schumer is threatening Trump with legislation.

Democrats are, mainly, condemning Trump.

If the Democrats today had been in Congress in 1941, they would have apologized to Japan for shooting down Japanese planes that were attacking Pearl Harbor.

[Onepoint]

You know what, if they get so mad at Trump they want to repeal the war powers act, then good. But it won't be about that, it will be about only hamstringing him. I have already seen pictures of protestors in NYC with Iranian flags, and I don't mean the lion version.

Those reports are unconfirmed so far except by Israel, if true, great, if not its to embolden the opposition within Iran to over throw the govt.  The 1st casualty of war is the truth.

[thresher_593]

Looks like we did succeed in taking out most of Iran's leadership.
The one guy that's left is saying Iran is going to burn the heart of the United States.
Not sure how he thinks they'll do that.
Iran has now alienated most of the Gulf states. No one wants to be their friend now.
Iran is down to two allies, the United Nations and the Democrats.

[Onepoint]

Yeah, main stream media has reluctantly admitted that he was sent to allah.  There are a whole lot like him, but few if any who have the clout and political power to bring it all under one roof like Khomeini and later his protege Khamenei did.  This was a good thing in many ways, for one it shows none of these thugs are untouchable anymore.  For another the west, specially the US is the dominant force on the planet, the fact we have handcuffed ourselves from using it has led to perception we are weak. 

 The left and libertarians are having a stroke over it, and they are entirely correct Trump just destroyed their world, and its probably not a bad thing.  Not a fan of nation building or interventionism, but Iran's regime should have been ended as soon as the hostages were back way back when it started.  I'm not inclined to forgive or forget when to comes to terrorists and despots.

[JimmyJamesKY]

The Juice is loose for sure.  For as many proxy wars the U.S. has been in, it's refreshing to be the proxy for a change.  I'm sure this has been in the works for a long time, whenever Bibi gave Trump the green light.

Trump is mighty cavalier with the use of military despite his no more war rhetoric.

I don't know, he started a club called "Bored of Peace". I hope the Iranians seize the day and take their country back.  Iran was a moderate semi-westernized country before the Ayatollah.  That was before my time, so I'm a bit fuzzy on that, or Operation Ajax.

Pakistan is fighting Afghanistan.  I think the Afghans are better armed than the Paks expected for some reason, but Pakistan will prevail.  WWIII is off to a slow start.  It may get spicy though.  We already had a sleeper or Iranian sympathizer shoot some folks before heading out to be with the virgins.

I sincerely hope this causes real positive change for the average Iranian, and they get to join the 21st century.  I sincerely hope this is NOT just more welfare for the military industrial complex at Israel's bidding and (another) grand distraction from the pedophiles that rule us.

[Onepoint]

The left is truly insane, now they are protesting for the most theocratic draconian antiliberal govt on the planet.

The Pakistan vs Afghan thing is interesting,  AFAIK, we had nothing to do with it aside from empower the Taliban, who is now flexing and was doing subversive cross border incursions, ala cartel style, intimidating and trying to control Paki towns spreading Taliban influence.  Nothing really new in that, but Pakistan is on edge after open fighting with India. The ultimate irony be that Pakistan is the one who nukes Afghanistan in the end.

I find it hard to criticize killing Iranian mullahs, its the language they have spoken for decades, about time we learned it to communicate effectively. It is however much easier to break stuff than to make it work right again.  But the fretting over WW3 etc? What do we think the war on terror is and what Iran's role in that was? Asymmetric warfare is where each side fights with their most effective force, Iran's was covert and proxy terrorism.  And as much as I respect Massie and Paul, the days of declared wars and infantry battles are long gone, adapt or fail. Congress in current form will not pass a war resolution, not because it's good or bad, but because its Trump or Republicans running things, and the left wants America to fail so they can rebuild it in their image.

Anyway, as far as Iran perhaps they should have focused on learning geometry.

[thresher_593]

I will shed no tears over the death of the Ayatollah.

Although the Democrats have registered  him to vote in California. And Minnesota. And Georgia. And Illinois.