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thresher_593

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Drones
« on: December 14, 2024, 10:45:44 PM »
Seems like they're popping up everywhere.

Not in my neighborhood. Nothing for anyone to see here.

Maybe the Y Bridge.

No one knows where they cone from, who controls them or why they suddenly popped up,

I bet if you took a shot at one, you'd find out who owns it. Real fast.

The government has assured us they're harmless.

That worries me.

I'm just holdin' the tail. You guys are the one's pumpin' the cat.

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Re: Drones
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2024, 11:00:42 AM »
The U.S. airspace is regulated, and property owners do not own the airspace above their land. Shooting a drone can lead to charges of property damage, reckless endangerment, and violations of federal aviation laws​.

For more information, see:  https://uavcoach.com/shoot-drone/.

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Re: Drones
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2024, 12:59:18 PM »
I thought the same thing. Shoot one down and you'd probably know who owned it before it hit the ground. I'm NOT advocating for that (for reasons LESchwartz stated).

Probably just the beginning stages of Project Bluebeam.
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Re: Drones
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2024, 01:22:14 PM »
The U.S. airspace is regulated, and property owners do not own the airspace above their land. Shooting a drone can lead to charges of property damage, reckless endangerment, and violations of federal aviation laws​.

For more information, see:  https://uavcoach.com/shoot-drone/.

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Yes, exactly.

The airspace is regulated.

And the regulators either can't or won't tell us who, or what, is flying in our airspace.

This has a distinct Chinese Spy Balloon flavor with an undertaste of government deception.
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Re: Drones
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2024, 10:15:21 PM »
Air space is regulated, down to a certain altitude.  You can down something if its an imminent threat or intrusion, like roof top level or so.  Shooting one 50' up an you will have some splainin to do.

 I think its pretty plain by now the govt knows, or is doing it or the response would be much different.  They didn't seem to care about the chinses balloons until people started to ask WTF.   We have had some u known drones here last spring I think it was, during the day mostly, but some at night. Thing is with these is they are in restricted air space at times and I have heard nothing about air traffic being routed around them, in fact they claim they are not trackable.
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Re: Drones
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2024, 07:10:59 AM »
Our shop is next to the airport. We just talked to a guy that works over there and he says airspace is unregulated up to 1200' except over airports and certain installations.

He was also telling us there was a drone near our airport over the weekend.
When they pointed a laser rangefinder at it, it took off.

Just waiting for some redneck to shoot one down.
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Re: Drones
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2024, 07:46:13 AM »
Uh, it used to be that way, but that changed with new regulations when drones became an issue, now on the front page of the FAA is -

"FAA rules apply to the entire National Airspace System -- there is no such thing as "unregulated" airspace. Drone operators should be familiar with the difference between controlled and uncontrolled airspace, and where you can legally fly. Controlled airspace is found around some airports and at certain altitudes where air traffic controllers are actively communicating with, directing, and separating all air traffic. Other airspace is considered uncontrolled in the sense that air traffic controllers are not directing air traffic within its limits."

No person may operate a small unmanned aircraft over a human being unless?

(a) That human being is directly participating in the operation of the small unmanned aircraft;

(b) That human being is located under a covered structure or inside a stationary vehicle that can provide reasonable protection from a falling small unmanned aircraft; or

(c) The operation meets the requirements of at least one of the operational categories specified in subpart D of this part.

[Part D] - To conduct Category 1 operations?

(a) A remote pilot in command must use a small unmanned aircraft that?

(1) Weighs 0.55 pounds or less on takeoff and throughout the duration of each operation under Category 1, including everything that is on board or otherwise attached to the aircraft; and

(2) Does not contain any exposed rotating parts that would lacerate human skin upon impact with a human being.

(b) No remote pilot in command may operate a small unmanned aircraft in sustained flight over open-air assemblies of human beings unless the operation meets the requirements of either ? 89.110 or ? 89.115(a) of this chapter."


There is of course much more regulation in regard to it than that, that is just the frame work which legal drone pilots start from. 

I had a thread about this a few years ago when they implemented rules for drone flying, basically they cannot exceed 400' without ATC notification and permission, if you look at prohibited places maps, drone flights are forbidden for miles around airports (varies with airspace classification), over towns, roads etc, without a commercial drone license.  Even then are required to have transponders so the ATC radar can detect them and have to file flight plans.  For sport drone pilots, they have to have a spotter who has eyes on the drone entire time with the pilot, so it has to stay in visual range. 

They really wanted to make it outright illegal to fly FPV beyond visual range, but just made it so tightly regulated its designed to highly discourage it, which some people ignore anyway. 

The short version is essentially for this to happen legally, they know who is doing it and why, and if not the feds sure seem awfully nonchalant about it.
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Re: Drones
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2024, 08:51:20 AM »
The Springs is filthy with military installations. I've seen one drone in the last 3 years and haven't heard any chatter locally.

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Re: Drones
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2024, 07:48:11 AM »
So the drones shut down Wright Patterson Air Force Base for a couple of hours.

Was listening to a spokesman from the base and he said these are definitely not hobbyist drones. Way too large. He compared them in size to an office desk or golf cart.

Maybe they're hauling all the celebrities who swore they'd leave the country if Trump got elected.

I'm waiting for the government to tell us we have to get a drone vaccination.
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