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SKS gas tube mod.
« on: July 20, 2008, 03:52:45 PM »
SKS GAS TUBE MODIFICATION

by: Larry Gibson


SKS rifles are notorious for their violent ejection of fired cases. This may be desirable on the Russian tundra at 20 below but for the reloader trying to find the brass it is intolerable. The following modification will allow the rifle to function reliably yet will deposit the brass into a small area to the right front of the shooter. It also will lessen the hazard to bystanders. Velocity of the ammunition used is not affected.

Use standard 7.62x39 ammunition or the equivalent handload with 123-125 grain bullets when making this modification. The gas system of the SKS allows for more than enough gas port pressure to drive the piston back in the gas tube and cycle the action. This was designed this way to ensure absolute reliable functioning in extreme temperatures and conditions. What this modification does is simply to “vent” the gas after it has imparted enough motion to the piston to cycle the action with out driving it so violently back. As this modification vents the gas rather quickly the use of other than standard ammunition to regulate this cycling may cause malfunctions then when standard ammunition is used.

Attention cast bullet shooters: if you want to shoot really reduced loads with light bullets then regulate it with that. With Lee's 312-155 or heavier bullets I've found functioning to be fine with the conversion made for standard ammo. When medium burning powders (4895, etc.) are used and velocity is in the 1600 fps range I've not had any malfunctions.

To accomplish this modification it will require the following tools:

15 drill bits from #45 (smallest) to #31 (largest)
Center punch
Small round file
Electric drill, cordless or hand drill if power is available at range.

Before going to the range remove the gas tube from the SKS and take out the piston. On each side of the gas tube center punch .22” back from the face of the gas tube. Center punch .35” back from the face of the gas tube directly on top. Now drill each with the #45 drill. You will now have 3 holes, one on each side and one on top. The hole on top will be slightly further back from the ones on the sides. Deburr the inside of the tube with the file lightly and reassemble the piston into the tube and assemble it back onto the rifle. Load up the tools, ammo and rifle and head to the range.

Fire 5 rounds and observe the ejection pattern and how violent the action cycles. Drill out the top hole only using one size drill larger at a time. Test firing with at least 3 rounds between each drilling. You must disassemble the gas tube each time to drill.
NOTE:
I have found on several Russian SKSs that with 2 side holes of #45 size and the top hole of #31 size they will lay the brass into and area of about 3 feet diameter about 6-8 feet to my right front when shooting from a sitting position. The recoil of the rifle is much easier to manage as the action is not functioning nearly so violently. A couple have required the 2 side holes to be enlarged to #40 drill bit size.

Several Chinese SKSs have required an additional hole .3” behind the top one. If the first three holes have not “vented” enough gas then drill this 4th hole. Again starting with the #45 drill bit and going one size larger with a test firing each time. ( Added by res45 The numbered drill bits are wire gage bits  you can get a cheap set here for about $15 that goes form #1 to #60 https://www.harborfreight.com/60-pc-titanium-high-speed-steel-numbered-drill-bit-set-61690.html )

CAUTION
It is easy to get impatient and drill to much too quick without adequate test firing, DON’T!! You can’t put the metal back. New gas tubes are available at gun shows and out of Shotgun News for a reasonable price. If you’re not sure of your abilities get one first and try it before messing up the original. I have not messed any up using the above method. I have one tube (original Chinese tube that does fit the Russian with minimal fitting) that when used on my favorite Russian will lay the brass almost within arms reach.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2018, 12:26:21 AM by res45 »
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Re: SKS gas tube mod.
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2008, 05:10:50 PM »
I'm in EXACTLY the same situation! I posted looking for a finned tube or one with the vented metal hg. Benny currently shows out of stock so I'm waiting. I don't want to modify the stock tube. Both my rifles eject brass into the next county and my "brasscatcher" is somewhat problematic.  I've used your reload recipes in my Saiga and my SKS.  I'd like to thank you for the R&D time that you saved me by publishing your work.
 This is a typical group from my Saiga:


Have you experienced groups like this?  I've had 10 round groups with 8 within 1-1/2" and 2 "flyers" nearly touching.  It causes me to think it's a mechanical issue, but I haven't solved it yet.  The gas tubes on both have some play side to side and I made an aluminum freefloating hg. for the Saiga.  If there was any improvement, it was slight.  I've not had the SKS very long and continue to experiment with it.  Both rifles have been a source of great enjoyment, despite the frustration.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2008, 05:46:12 PM »
Thanks Vorpal I'm happy that my data has helped you out.  I think the flyer on your groups is pretty common I see that also in my shooting but I don't know if its me or just the rifle.  Just curious if you see the flyer as I do usually on the first shot on allot of occasions but not always.  I think it is caused by the setting of the action by hand on the first rd. rather than by the function of the rifle itself that causes that although I haven't has the time to prove that theory. Benny is a great guy to deal with I buy  from him whenever possible.  I found the gas tube your looking for here http://www.opticsplanet.net/ncstar-sks-gas-tube-scope-mount-msks.html  I'm not sure  but I think it only fits the Chinese which I have one.  I may consider getting one of these soon to try this out on. 

The numbered drill bits are wire gage bits  you can get a cheap set here for about $15 that goes form #1 to #60 https://www.harborfreight.com/60-pc-titanium-high-speed-steel-numbered-drill-bit-set-61690.html
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Re: SKS gas tube mod.
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2008, 06:47:38 PM »
Interesting idea! But I wonder if the velocity of the bullet is affected by this mod. And thus, maybe the point of aim is changed from a 'standard' tubed SKS.

He did mention reduced loads with light bullets and regulating using this mod. (This is a load I have been thinking about developing, trying to use .32 gold dots). If his reduced loads are using a fast burning powder with a 'quick' pressure spike, I can see where this 'mod' could work for this. Some food for thought.

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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2008, 07:07:49 PM »
He also stated use standard ammo or reloads to set up the mod and that this type of load provided more than enough pressure to work the action even in extreme conditions.  Just me but I don't think it will have much of an affect if any on MV due to the fact that the pressure works the action after the bullet has passed the gas port in the barrel and that gas port is not being modified.  The particular holes being drilled are smallest #45@2mm and the largest #31@3mm.  Most older YUG0's probably leak that much already.

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Re: SKS gas tube mod.
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2008, 08:38:54 PM »
Yes, I agree, that using 'standard' loads that have 'standard' pressure curves, that holes drilled into the tube can reduce the pressure that works the action, and therefore reduce the "fling" of brass. (Sorry, long day and long sentence). On a 'standard' round the bullet is past the muzzle and as such the pressure is more than adequate to work the action.

I was focused on the reduced round, using lighter bullets. (handgun bullets) The pressure curve would be entirely different using a faster burning powder. Using this mod, the pressures could be bled off quicker. Your thread just got my little wheels turning.

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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2008, 08:56:19 PM »
Not sure about pistol bullets but I read a thread about a guy using  lead cast round ball, pressed them in flush and put a little roll crimp on the case.  Have to look for that article again he said that at 25 yds it was pretty accurate and kill the crap out of small game.   Just curious what type of pistol bullets were you  thinking about using I'm game.  Lee makes a .311 round ball mold n single or double cavity.
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Re: SKS gas tube mod.
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2008, 09:08:45 PM »
alright, I've been waiting for just the right time to post this....drum roll please....



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Re: SKS gas tube mod.
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2008, 09:32:15 PM »
ragnar6667,
I've seen that site before.  Have you tried one of these?
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2008, 11:08:06 PM »
I have to admit, I've never had much trouble finding my brass, where I shoot the ground is all very fine beat down gravel, so it's easy to find.  I can see no reason one of these catchers wouldn't function fine.  It's a very simple object. Attach big plastic box to ejection port.  The only thing I see is that it could be kind of annoying, since it appears as though you would load from clip, and then attach the box, repeat with every 10 rounds (or 20 if it's a removable magazine).  It's built for an sks, so it oughta work right? :)  It has a lifetime warranty, that should mean something

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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2008, 11:41:29 PM »
It's probably a good product I have seen that particular brand before,but like you say cumbersome comes to mind.  My YUGO and Chinese will throw brass 15 to 20 feet,if the gas tube mod works out and I can adjust it to drop it  5 to 8 ft. from me and all close together that will be a great improvement.  I only want it for general shooting,for hunting I don't care where it goes or if I find it.
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Re: SKS gas tube mod.
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2008, 11:01:03 AM »
Not sure about pistol bullets but I read a thread about a guy using  lead cast round ball, pressed them in flush and put a little roll crimp on the case.  Have to look for that article again he said that at 25 yds it was pretty accurate and kill the crap out of small game.   Just curious what type of pistol bullets were you  thinking about using I'm game.  Lee makes a .311 round ball mold n single or double cavity.

I would like to see that article. That is along the lines I was thinking about. A close up round that could be used on small game or maybe as a home defense round. My idea is to use a .32 cal (.312) pistol bullet in a hollow point design. I would like it to leave the muzzle at around 800 - 900 fps thus having enough power for short range action but not having enough power to punch through walls or travel as far as the normal spizer SKS bullet would. Also being able to work the action and feed well would be nice too.

It's still just an idea. I have looked at a Hornady 100gr XTP hollow point load as a starting point. Using 24gr of Lil'gun it leaves the muzzle at 2747fps. Still too fast, but I can check the feeding and see if it will cycle the action. I would like to get down to a 60gr Speer "Gold Dot" bullet. Got to figure out a powder to use that would give me the FPS I want and still be able to work the action.

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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2008, 11:55:24 AM »
I have found that often the first hand-chambered round will be a flyer.  The next rounds, chambered by the mechanical action of the rifle shoot more to the same POI.  I have seen this with other rifles and handguns, not just the SKS, although my SKSs do it.  So a "fix" like bedding may not eliminate the first flyer - so don't get discouraged.
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2008, 03:17:25 PM »
Res45,
I did the gas tube mod and it's a winner as far as I'm concerned.  I stopped at all 3 holes with a #44.  I was shooting off bags on a bench and 60% of my hull were within 5' of my shooting position.  I had a large scope on doing some ammo testing, so I suspect the scope body may have re-directed some of the cases.  I'm sure that measurements from the end of the tube can vary slightly from install to install so taking it up 1 size at a time is definitely the way to do it.
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2008, 02:34:24 PM »
Thanks for the info glad it worked out,which  gas tube did you modify a YUGO or another variant.  Would be interested to know what measurement you ended up using from the end of the tube to where you drilled your holes.
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