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Onepoint:
GOF is that gray area of making BIO weapons with the excuse of preparing for them.  No one really knows what is going on, because its classified and supposedly overseen by the very people doing it.  They don't need it for making vaccines on viruses already infectious. They make them more infectious or more virulent than naturally occurs.    They do need it for potential ones and it's just too damn coincidental that many of them of the influenzas variety make into open circulation. How many cancer studies make the cancer worse so they can find a cure? None, they all study existing condition which they already can't stop.

Combine that with partnering with an enemy and infamous intellectual property espionage source with associated compromised security and my BS meter is pegged when it comes to trusting govt research and statements.

thresher_593:
So, I'm not crazy for wondering about the resurgence in Covid just as we're starting a presidential election cycle?

JimmyJamesKY:
You mean the "Election Variant"?  :)

If you're crazy, then so am I.  With all the BS going around, it's hard to know what to believe or which sources to trust, so you doubt everything.  That's pretty much what people mean when they say "gas-lighting."  You undermine the institutions we're meant to rely upon and put truth itself in doubt.

The fact that this wasn't headline news is in itself troubling. 

EDIT:  The proposed reason for the lab mice weren't to improve vaccinations, but the stated goal of the operation was to improve the testing for COVID.  My bad.  Still, this was not a legitimate laboratory.

Danjal:

--- Quote from: xtriggerman on August 30, 2023, 02:14:05 AM --- The way I understand GOF is its the study of various mammal/animal viruses that typically are not harmful to humans. The GOF is in fact a re-engineering of the virus to "see" how it would replicate in human cells if in fact it could be made / modified to jump species. As with this bat virus, it was specifically manipulated to be invasive into human tissue. When Obama banned this Frankenstein work in his term, Fuochi moved the US program to China is the way I read it. The US based Frankenstein mutation was the introduction of Green Monkey virus and a common Bovin virus into a live cow. This was the old fashion way of virus modification. After the monkeys all got infected, they were used for Hepatitis vaccine culturing. Africa got those jabs first, then NYC residents. I watched inmates die of that AIDS virus back in 88. A VERY unpleasant way to die. The enemy to humanity is plainly looking back at its self in the mirror. Once they figured out that the fastest way to riches is by threatening people with sickness and death, all bets are off in the morality of Pharma work. The life's blood to those companies is the fact that there absolutely MUST be sick people in fear of sickness n death. Explain to me how is it that Humans populated the earth for thousands of years without the Pharmaceutical Jager Naughts of today. Once founded on sound human & moral ground, is not the hungry beast we have today. The founding and early history of the AMA was the US intro into pay to play in the industry. Rotten as hell! Somehow, their pedaling GOF as a good thing now?.....yeah, right.

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GOF changes a virus to enhance it somehow. They can be harmless or harmful to humans before and after, it doesn't matter. GOF just adds to a virus's repertoire somehow. More/easier/interspecies transmission, deadlier, altered transmission (air spread vs water), etc. Most of it is used to see how the virus changes naturally to keep ahead of the upcoming season for it or to keep ahead of possible pandemics before they start. Ever hear "This year's flu vaccine is a good match for the current virus this season"? That's because they did the research months to a year ago, grew cultures, made the vaccine, then the virus outside of the lab naturally progressed along the same route. It's predicted by using GOF.

As far as human only, we do GOF on animal only viruses too. You do it for cows, chickens, pigs, sheep, etc. They get meds also and have issues with the flu. All GOF here. We're trying to curb the disease in animals so we're not starving and our famers are broke. OnePoint can tell us more about cattle vaccines and meds if he wants to, but the gov and scientists are looking to protect our agriculture.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/05/health/bird-flu-vaccine/index.html

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20221206/this-years-flu-shot-good-match-circulating-strains-cdc#:~:text=Dec.,match%20is%20to%20what's%20circulating.

Loss of function is the other side of the coin, but not many care about it as the virus loses all the above mentioned things and generally weakens it. And it's harder to spread gloom and gloom stories about the government and the boogieman shady never named people of the deepstate making things weaker instead of the newest turboaidsCOVIDcommoncoldhepatitis virus. That and Darwinism doesn't allow for it in nature. Anything that can't spread kills itself off eventually. Only the versions that do spread will be around after. We're currently trying this with mosquitoes in FL FYI. It might work some, but without continued rerelease of sterile mosquitoes, it'll just die off after a year or so and we're back to regular ones breeding like crazy.

Danjal:

--- Quote from: Onepoint on August 30, 2023, 10:04:02 AM ---GOF is that gray area of making BIO weapons with the excuse of preparing for them.  No one really knows what is going on, because its classified and supposedly overseen by the very people doing it.  They don't need it for making vaccines on viruses already infectious. They make them more infectious or more virulent than naturally occurs.    They do need it for potential ones and it's just too damn coincidental that many of them of the influenzas variety make into open circulation. How many cancer studies make the cancer worse so they can find a cure? None, they all study existing condition which they already can't stop.

Combine that with partnering with an enemy and infamous intellectual property espionage source with associated compromised security and my BS meter is pegged when it comes to trusting govt research and statements.

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We do need it actually. It's used every year for vaccines. Until another way of doing it comes along, this is the best we've got to predict the next season.
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mbio.02430-14

As far as them "getting out" almost all the GOF is to simulate naturally occurring scenarios. You can do GOF with cows and fences in your barn. Is it a conspiracy when a cow, out in the field, manages to get through a fence, break it, or otherwise get around it like the lab (barn) simulated? Clearly you let that cow loose so it taught all the others, by no means did it happen naturally like the testing (based on real life scenarios) showed. Clearly it was a leak. Here at DJI we perform GOF on internet postings before they get out of hand, currently we're seeing responses to western cattle ranchers that disagree with them can cause a new strain of angry reply. Don't worry, it's contained so it can't ever happen in the wild outside of the lab.

Cancer isn't a virus, it's a disease caused by external factors. Apples to oranges here. At this point we're not completely sure what causes it so we can prevent it fully. We know some things cause it, but we're still guessing at what it really does in the body to start the forming of cancer cells. And we have had several studies that made it worse. The beta carotene study was linked to making lung cancer worse. The thing with cancer is it's not transmissible from person to person, so there's about zero risk of the studies past the patient. Virus and bacteria can spread, so there's inherently more risk in studying them. So If we manage to make a super cancer, it's going to kill one person, not spread and kill millions. "Oops, lesson learned." vs "Oh ****, we just killed half the human race." Its things like this that gain a lot of attention. Guns and firearm info can get folks killed by someone that has less than honorable intentions, and libs want to shut down info on arms for that reason. Are we as bad as nuclear? Nope, but there's a risk with the knowledge. NBCs are safeguarded due to that. Teaching a guy how to make an auto AR-15/M16 isn't near the risk of teaching him how to use and deploy anthrax or a dirty bomb. Thankfully for us it takes a lot of resources to make NBCs, so not anybody, even with the knowledge, can just do it.

So yes, we're seeing a lot of the same viruses out of the lab because we're using the lab to simulate real life scenarios. With Wuhan/COVID the tards let it loose on accident. But all the forms of the flu out there are constantly changing day by day. We have 4 main types, but generally only care about two, A and B. You, as a farmer, should care about Type D as it's for cattle, yet spills over from them regularly. The reason we see bird flu so much in Asia is the unrestricted movement of poultry, high human populations, and tons of interactions with humans and chickens. It's a breeding ground for it there and it shows in real life. This is why we do GOF. Create the mess, learn how to clean it up before it shows up on it's own and we're several steps behind.

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