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Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« on: October 05, 2015, 09:58:51 AM »
I was recently at my local pawn shop trying to hash out a deal on a '53 Tula refurb when I noticed something odd sitting on the shelf directly below where we were discussing price. The little Kel-Tec piqued my interest immediately and noticing that I wasn't getting anywhere on the SKS I asked to see the folding rifle. It was a brand new gen 1 in .40S&W and accepted Beretta mags. I had no intentions of picking it up until I saw the price was $320. I didn't hesitate to snatch it up.

Immediately after the purchase I dropped by my brothers place making sure to pseudo quote Mean Girls with a "Get in loser, we're going shooting" and off to the range we went. 200 rounds in and I can say that I was pleasantly surprised at how comfortable the bare bones rifle was to shoot and it was fairly accurate to boot.

Yesterday I took it out rabbit hunting with me in case of some hog being unlucky enough to wander into my kill zone. And unfortunate is what I'd use to describe the 85 pound hog that I did happen to come across. One shot at 32 yards directly into the chest and it was found down about twenty feet away in a cactus patch.

So, this brings me to why I've brought this up on this board. The Sub 2000 is incredibly affordable to buy and feed, it's light weight at exactly 4 pounds, accurate, shares magazine compatibility with some of the most popular pistols on the market, and best of all it freaking folds into a 16"x5"x2" package for easily fitting into a bug out bag. So, is it potentially one of the best bug out/SHTF rifles?

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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 01:27:31 PM »
I really like a Sub 2K. My son has a .40 Glock version and it's flawless. Great for a backup, but lots of plastic parts. Accurate out to 100-125 yards.

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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2015, 01:40:25 PM »
The platform has several flaws. Plastic sights being one. Friction fit sights being another.

I had a first gen glock s2k. It jammed more than traffic around I-285 at 7am.
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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2015, 01:50:28 PM »
The platform has several flaws. Plastic sights being one. Friction fit sights being another.

I had a first gen glock s2k. It jammed more than traffic around I-285 at 7am.

I've had no issues yet, but plan to put another 500-1500 rounds through it over the next month to test true reliability. Also, I've put some thought into getting the aftermarket steel sights.

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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2015, 02:18:43 PM »
Mine didn't start for quite a few rounds. Say 2k or so. Korean mags, glock mags, all of it ran fine then started jamming like crazy. I cleaned it, tried new springs, everything I could think of and it only improved it slightly. All the mags jammed equally. Regular capacity glock and Kahn mags, and hi caps.

Hopefully mine is the exception to the rule and yours gives you a good service life free of troubles.
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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2015, 02:48:49 PM »
I lucked out and bought a broken one for $50 at my LGS. The owner (my friend) wanted nothing to do with the kid (punk) who was desperately trying to sell it for beer money. He wanted $100 for it but admited it was broken (bad feed ramp, wouldn't feed). Owner told him to sell it to me for $50 and he winked at me so I bit. This was before the Sandy Hook laws so we did a ftf transfer and the kid leaves.

So I ask my buddy, "ok what gives, why did you want me to buy this broken plastic toy gun?" He says, "I'll send it in to Kel-Tec as a dealer and they will fix it for free." The kid wasn't the original owner so he couldn't do that but they will do it for a dealer, at least a few years ago they would. He was pretty sure that kid has stolen from him once before so he had no interest in helping him.

Sure enough they fixed it for no charge and they covered shipping both ways. New feed ramp, new barrel, new mag release mechanism, a few other parts I forget, thing was like a new gun. I traded it for a used but unfired M&P-15 AR a few months later, even up. A guy bought his kid the AR without asking his ex-wife and she got pissed so he traded me the M&P-15 for the less scary Sub2000 in 9mm. I sold the M&P for $850 after Sandy Hook but before the new laws went into effect.  Best $50 I ever spent on that broken sub2000, made $800 on that whole deal.

Anyway, I thought it was a cool little fun gun but I agree with Danjal, it is the definition of plastic fantastic gimmick gun. Not knocking it as a backup/pack gun but don't expect it to hold up to high round counts or other abuse.
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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2015, 03:51:33 PM »
Oh it excels as.a.light weight pack rifle. But as said, it has it's limits.

If I had one now I'd pin the fsb so it won't rotate.
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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2015, 05:03:38 PM »
Just handled one today. Will probably go with the Hi-point if I go .40S&W. May just build an AR if I go 9mm(unlikely)

Concerning the Hi-Point vs. the Kel-Tec, I'd rather have the mag capacity limit with the robust frame of the HP over the thin line and higher cap mags. Not totally convinced on this, but that is the way I'm leaning.

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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2015, 05:45:33 PM »
Just handled one today. Will probably go with the Hi-point if I go .40S&W. May just build an AR if I go 9mm(unlikely)

Concerning the Hi-Point vs. the Kel-Tec, I'd rather have the mag capacity limit with the robust frame of the HP over the thin line and higher cap mags. Not totally convinced on this, but that is the way I'm leaning.

My issue with the HP is that it weighs as much as most rifles actually chambered in a rifle caliber. If I'm sacrificing ballistic superiority then I want something worthwhile. The.Kel-Tec appears to offer this "something" through reduced weight and overall length. To each his own, and with all due respect.

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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2015, 08:18:42 PM »
I have a sub 2K, the hipoint wins hands down just on the reliability issue alone.  The Kel-Tec is not made as a hi round count range gun, it may have some advantages but durability and reliability are not among them.  The real only thing it has going for it are portability, weight and mag capacity, none of which matter if it's broken.

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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2015, 08:47:14 PM »
I have a sub 2K, the hipoint wins hands down just on the reliability issue alone.  The Kel-Tec is not made as a hi round count range gun, it may have some advantages but durability and reliability are not among them.  The real only thing it has going for it are portability, weight and mag capacity, none of which matter if it's broken.

My brother and cousin have both owned Hi Point rifles and pistols. They seemed much more likely hurt the operator than whatever you were aiming at. We used one as a paddle one time and I'd give it a 5/10 rating for that purpose.

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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2015, 08:57:46 PM »
I have one a Gen 1 in 9mm with Berretta mags.  It tends to like heavier bullets during the break in period.  I hated the front sight and replaced my in with the Red Lion front sight.  I live in New York and it was the only one of my firearms that I had to register.  Right now its my home defense gun until I get a pistol permit. The Gen 2 are nice If I could buy one I would probably get in Glock as it is a little more versatile but I'm still glad I have one as it is.
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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2015, 10:01:36 PM »
I have a sub 2K, the hipoint wins hands down just on the reliability issue alone.  The Kel-Tec is not made as a hi round count range gun, it may have some advantages but durability and reliability are not among them.  The real only thing it has going for it are portability, weight and mag capacity, none of which matter if it's broken.

My brother and cousin have both owned Hi Point rifles and pistols. They seemed much more likely hurt the operator than whatever you were aiming at. We used one as a paddle one time and I'd give it a 5/10 rating for that purpose.

So you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.  Hipoints are extremely accurate and of the pistols, only the 9mm has any real issues for some people due to the mags not being that great, both of mine have been 100% reliable. The .40 and .45 almost never have issues and the carbines are as reliable as the sun coming up in the morning.  So what else does your brothers cousins friend have to say about Hipoints, do they make good boat anchors?

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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2015, 10:07:28 PM »
I have a sub 2K, the hipoint wins hands down just on the reliability issue alone.  The Kel-Tec is not made as a hi round count range gun, it may have some advantages but durability and reliability are not among them.  The real only thing it has going for it are portability, weight and mag capacity, none of which matter if it's broken.

My brother and cousin have both owned Hi Point rifles and pistols. They seemed much more likely hurt the operator than whatever you were aiming at. We used one as a paddle one time and I'd give it a 5/10 rating for that purpose.

So you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.  Hipoints are extremely accurate and of the pistols, only the 9mm has any real issues for some people due to the mags not being that great, both of mine have been 100% reliable. The .40 and .45 almost never have issues and the carbines are as reliable as the sun coming up in the morning.

Oh? No idea? So there's no chance that perhaps it was incredible bad luck with a series of unlikely yet possible lemons? And my not wanting to risk it on something I've had a poor experience with? Yes, that sounds like fair reasoning from a man I've never met that knows nothing of my experience as a shooter. To each his own but with MY experience they are garbage. YMMV

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Re: Kel-Tec Sub 2000
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2015, 10:21:38 PM »
I have a sub 2K, the hipoint wins hands down just on the reliability issue alone.  The Kel-Tec is not made as a hi round count range gun, it may have some advantages but durability and reliability are not among them.  The real only thing it has going for it are portability, weight and mag capacity, none of which matter if it's broken.

My brother and cousin have both owned Hi Point rifles and pistols. They seemed much more likely hurt the operator than whatever you were aiming at. We used one as a paddle one time and I'd give it a 5/10 rating for that purpose.

So you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.  Hipoints are extremely accurate and of the pistols, only the 9mm has any real issues for some people due to the mags not being that great, both of mine have been 100% reliable. The .40 and .45 almost never have issues and the carbines are as reliable as the sun coming up in the morning.

Oh? No idea? So there's no chance that perhaps it was incredible bad luck with a series of unlikely yet possible lemons? And my not wanting to risk it on something I've had a poor experience with? Yes, that sounds like fair reasoning from a man I've never met that knows nothing of my experience as a shooter. To each his own but with MY experience they are garbage. YMMV

I though it was the experience of your brother and cousin?  What Hipoint do they own?  Pistol?  What caliber?  Carbine?  What caliber?  Which one had the so called boat paddle issue?

What are you trying to imply with this?  "They seemed much more likely hurt the operator than whatever you were aiming at."  How would they "hurt the operator"?  Are you trying to claim they are not accurate?