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After the election
« on: September 06, 2012, 05:14:31 PM »
I'm not exactly sure where this should be so if I have posted it in the wrong place feel free to move it.

If Obama gets elected for his 2nd term do you think there will be riots or mass protesting? How do you think people will react if obama 4 more years?

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Re: After the election
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2012, 05:35:51 PM »
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Re: After the election
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2012, 09:50:47 AM »
No riots if he gets elected, I mean are you planning on rioting?  That's not what conservative/ reasonable people do.   I would just look for some states to start passing laws invalidating federal ones, preppers hoarding whatever they can and significantly more civil disobedience and more people moving to the tea party. 
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Re: After the election
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2012, 09:59:14 AM »
No riots if he gets elected, I mean are you planning on rioting?  That's not what conservative/ reasonable people do.   

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Re: After the election
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2012, 11:31:20 AM »
What worries me the most is the reaction of some when he looses. There seems to be a big rift in this country. I think after the election if bummer looses the cap will be left off of the powder keg. It will just take only one event to set it off through the whole country. Whether it be an event like the George Zimmerman case or a black guy getting arrested but claimed the police bet him. It's hard for me to say what i think will set it off but I'm sure it will happen not sure at what scale though. It might be a city or spread to many cities and states.
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Re: After the election
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2012, 11:44:13 AM »
No.

If Obama wins, we continue on the same path we have for the last four years. When was the last time you saw Tea Party/conservative types actually rioting in the streets? I thought so.

If Obama loses, there is not enough popular support among youth, and especially urban & poor minority youth voters that backed Obama fervently in 2008. I believe many of them have seen now that Obama is just a typical politician and is not the guy they thought they were voting for four years ago. I don't expect that the same masses of youth that rallied behind Obama will care enough this time around to throw a fit about it. They are now disillusioned by the truth that Ds & Rs are exactly the same scum, no matter how good their marketing is. Back to not voting for them.

If anyone riots at all, it will be the same groups of anarchists and extreme leftists that cause trouble for both the Ds and Rs. I.E. the people that do not care what candidate is elected, because they wish to see government abolished and yet take care of the poor and needy simultaneously, as if the two could be mutually exclusive.

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Re: After the election
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2012, 01:28:21 PM »
I don't plan on rioting. Where did I say conservatives are going to be the ones that will start a riot? I don't know about you guys but everywhere I go both conservatives and liberals have a huge dissatisfaction of the president. There is so much of it that I don't know if people would be so pist to start a riot because most likely nothing is going to change the next 4 year besides the economy getting worse.

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Re: After the election
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2012, 09:06:43 PM »

If Obama get re-elected-

The economiy will continue to melt down and at some point before the end of his second term, there will be another finacial crisis. Think post WWI Germany- mass unemployment, hyper inflation, crumbling government services, and street violence. Probably the most danger the USA will have been in since the War Between the States.

If Romney gets elected-

Best case he will pull off a "Scott Walker" and with the support of the silent majorit, rams through the needed reforms and budget cuts  to right the ship. Not the reforms we all want and need, but enough to stop the hemorrhaging.

Worst case- The American people in a fit of childness, abandon Romney like the voters of CA abandoned Arnold Swatzenegger. No reforms or half measures are enacted and we continue are slide towards our doom.

In each Romney scenario, the socialist left will take to the street in a collective tantrum. In the first case, the American people and the Republican party ignore them. In the second, the protests and riots shake Romney's and the Republican party's confidence and they cave.
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Re: After the election
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2012, 09:42:02 PM »
I would be most concerned with what urban people that are govornment dependent might do when the benefits go away.

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Re: After the election
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2012, 09:59:27 PM »
Here is another scenario. Obama/Romney gets elected but loses both house and senate and gets impeached midway through his term.
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Re: After the election
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2012, 12:34:03 AM »
Romney does a thing, and it is good

I really haven't heard much from the Romney camp at all other than generic "no new taxes, America R work hard!" speeches. Maybe a war with Iran here or there. What exactly is his plan? Seems to me that you are overly optimistic about Romney by casting the prime potential for his failure as to be attributed to lack of support from the American people.

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Re: After the election
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2012, 12:42:48 AM »
Romney does a thing, and it is good

I really haven't heard much from the Romney camp at all other than generic "no new taxes, America R work hard!" speeches. Maybe a war with Iran here or there. What exactly is his plan? Seems to me that you are overly optimistic about Romney by casting the prime potential for his failure as to be attributed to lack of support from the American people.

I am consevative and I WANT TO SEE ROMNEY MAKE US DETAILED PROMISES rather than a vague vision

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Re: After the election
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2012, 02:54:04 PM »
Ditto on the specifics from Romney... need more than just vision, tho its a start.  If Obama is re-elected we should all be concerned about where our financial strength as a country will plummet to.  His administration has this idea that their direction will end up in a strong economy, yet everything they do just hurts it more.  Four more years - without worrying personally about re-election - so bolder moves that could mean more economic destruction... yikes.  My support for Romney - sans specifics - is more that he is not Obama and seems to have an interest of really fixing things so that there is optimism again, boosting "consumer confidence", and gaining steam in this uphill battle to improve our economic situation.

Riots?  Unlikely, but it is possible that some inner-city issue will spark a national emergency of some kind... or riots here and there.  But if it happens just after election results announced - theoretically with Obama loosing - Obama still in office for over 2 months and he will have to be the one dealing with it.  I very much doubt "riots" or another emergency of the kind would start due to the inauguration ceremony.

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Re: After the election
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2012, 12:10:36 PM »
The only slice of the population that I can realistically see rioting at this point, are those terminally dependant on welfare. If any candidate cuts the flow, he will know it in the streets.

It may be heresy to say this here, but I don't think that the economy is the weak point of the Obama admin. The entire world has been suffering from a series of financial meltdowns that occured around the globe, and that were largely independent of political parties and ideology. What we are experiencing is IMO one of the first waves of failure of the globalized economy, and the risky market gambling and poorly thought-out "products" of the financial industry. I don't believe that it's something Obama or Romney can easily fix.. It's essentially a structural problem, in that we have restructured the way in which we think that national and global economies should work, but the truth is that they can't work this way.

We cannot have a global economy without either elevating all poor nations to our level, or allowing first-world nations to sink to the level of poor nations. There is no way for wages to equalize, unless we bring everyone to the same generally poor standard of living. But wait, then there is no longer any advantage to globalization, because there are no longer any exceptionally cheap workforces available to take advantage of. The advantage of poor third-world labor doesn't last forever - eventually they demand higher wages and to be on equal footing with, say Americans, British, French, etc.

Capitalism is not meant to operate on a one-world economy. It requires trade & competition between entities operating sovereign in different nations. The only way it can "work" (poorly) is if it's forced, i.e. fascism, global government - getting into tinfoil territory here.

I actually don't blame the democrats for the state of the economy. Can they do better? Sure. But... The buyout of the auto industry that was started by Bush and carried on by Obama is something that many people are angry about that I think is an example of tough economic decisions that had to be made that saved a ton of jobs. Romney would've probably just let GM & Chrysler hang, throwing thousands of jobs to the wind. Do I know that? Nope, but it jives with his history and actions as a manager in Bain. Romney prefers to let enterprise fail & pick up the pieces for his own benefit.

There are plenty of other reasons not to like Obama that we are all pretty well aware of.

My problem is, I won't be happy with anyone who's elected. I don't like Obama or any of his cabinet members, their policies, and the causes they like to get behind and push. I also don't like conservatives who lean towards war-mongering and base policy on religion and make-believe visions of Rockwell-esque Americana, mom's apple pie, etc. Democrats and republicans, anyone who plays by the party rules, they all leave a foul taste in my mouth. Where are all of the moderate politicians that are willing to work together, like they used to in America's strong days, beyond simple lip service given to compromise & unity?

THAT'S why I think we are in serious trouble. It goes beyond one candidate. It's a game now on which party will win - the winner is never us as a whole.
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Re: After the election
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2012, 12:12:36 PM »
Not much; things will just keep getting worse and we all will learn how to deal with it.
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