How effective would a 'Revolution' be

[karlsgunbunker]

They won't use US Troops they will bring in Foreign Troops.
Our boys will be deployed or restricted to base.

There are lots of reports about foreign troops being based in the US. 

It's too big a risk that US troops would refuse to fire on US civilians, Would you shoot your family?


The biggest threat to their plan is all the armed citizens.
Think about facing an army or 20 Million + Trained Snipers with High Power "Sniper Rifles" (Hunting Rifles to you and me).
I'm not even talking about Semi-Auto, How many of us have a Bolt Action rifle that will reach out and touch some one?

The total population of registered hunters in America today ranges from 23 million to 43.7 million individuals. (Based on annual data provided by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.)

As long as the American Hunter retains his right to Bear Arms, America will forever be safe from foreign invasion of troops.

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_30097.php

I think a Revolution would be much more effective than most people would think.

Helo's have to land and refuel, troops have to eat & sleep.

We might not be able to fight a modern army head on but hitting them when they refuel and attacking the supply train?

[scarymike23]

I think if such a thing were to occur it would be more akin to Northern Ireland during the Troubles - a large occupying military fighting against a much smaller native insurgency whose operatives could easily blend into the local populace or the occupying army. The occupiers would not likely use air or artillery strikes or other means used to fight insurgents in places like Afghanistan or Iraq (but they'd sure as hell use drones more than they do now). The insurgency would probably do a lot of the sorts of things that the IRA did - bombings, sniping, kidnapping, and occasional raids on military or law enforcement emplacements. The main difference would be that there probably wouldn't be any loyalist/pro-occupier counter-insurgents like the Ulster Volunteer Force which the IRA had to deal with. Just my two bits.

[finalDeliverance]

There will be loyalists. The people with there hands out, the fearful, the cowards.  Just look at the gun grabber
lobby these days. The big guns will only be use in rural and horizontally developed areas.  It would be just plain stupid to try to use them in vertically developed urban centers.

[rich]

The insurgency would probably do a lot of the sorts of things that the IRA did - bombings, sniping, kidnapping, and occasional raids on military or law enforcement emplacements. The main difference would be that there probably wouldn't be any loyalist/pro-occupier counter-insurgents like the Ulster Volunteer Force which the IRA had to deal with. Just my two bits.

Mix a little William Wallace with Michael Collins and the "Wolverines".

[nightraider717]

The insurgency would probably do a lot of the sorts of things that the IRA did - bombings, sniping, kidnapping, and occasional raids on military or law enforcement emplacements. The main difference would be that there probably wouldn't be any loyalist/pro-occupier counter-insurgents like the Ulster Volunteer Force which the IRA had to deal with. Just my two bits.

Mix a little William Wallace with Michael Collins and the "Wolverines".

Exactly.  I see more of an IRA styled revolution.  Just my humble opinion though.

[rob86]

When new technology is made there is always a technology to counter it. The United States is where big brother gets the brains to develop all their cool toys. That being said, I'm confident that the American people will develop a counter technology to what big brother is using against us. Secondly, the governement needs a TON of fuel and supplies to make it work properly so if they can't get the supplies to the frontline how can they fight. Thirdly, a persons mindset is important. Each person will have to choose what kind of life they want to live. Will you have to mindset to fight and die as a free person or are you going to stick it out and allow them to do whatever they want to you by force. Personally I think people need to be reminded how crappy the rest of the world is. It's easy to see it on tv but if people had bombs going off and see fighting going on I think Americans will wake up and take the constitution more serious than what they do now. That being said I think if there was a revolution and there was a way people could tell who is on what side by a visual symbol, the revolution would be a very, very bloody war. If it was the People vs. Government, the government and its military would be slaughtered.

[Chip Hazard]

They won't use US Troops they will bring in Foreign Troops.
Our boys will be deployed or restricted to base.

There are lots of reports about foreign troops being based in the US. 

It's too big a risk that US troops would refuse to fire on US civilians, Would you shoot your family?


The biggest threat to their plan is all the armed citizens.
Think about facing an army or 20 Million + Trained Snipers with High Power "Sniper Rifles" (Hunting Rifles to you and me).
I'm not even talking about Semi-Auto, How many of us have a Bolt Action rifle that will reach out and touch some one?

The total population of registered hunters in America today ranges from 23 million to 43.7 million individuals. (Based on annual data provided by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.)

As long as the American Hunter retains his right to Bear Arms, America will forever be safe from foreign invasion of troops.

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_30097.php

I think a Revolution would be much more effective than most people would think.

Helo's have to land and refuel, troops have to eat & sleep.

We might not be able to fight a modern army head on but hitting them when they refuel and attacking the supply train?

This is why they will go after bolt action once they do away with semi-auto.

A revolution could be effective, but not unless everyone unites.
One thing I wish people would stop doing is talk about how they won't let them take their guns and that if they come to get them they better be ready to fight... that's the point, if they are at the door they aren't going to ask nicely when they knock.  If you have guns in your house when they come, or if you are even there then you were not prepared.  It's that simple.

I think the biggest problem with an effective resistance is whether we can organize or not.  If we can't then it will be very short lived and uneffective.  Another problem with uniting though is leadership.  I see a lot of Rambos and Patton wannabes out there.  I can see two 'militia' groups uniting only to start bickering and fighting amongst each other over who is incharge.  What I am saying is we'd have to get our act together AND FAST, and sometimes that doesn't seem too probable.  Look at some of the personalities on this forum alone!  Now try to imagine someone telling some of them what to do... forget any enemy, we can't all get along with each other and we have a common bond!  That's one of the first things we need to overcome- egos.  But again first and foremost we need to unite.  If you stand alone you'll be buried alone.

Dying is easy.  So is being stupid, and often they go hand in hand. 

[scarymike23]

There will be loyalists. The people with there hands out, the fearful, the cowards.  Just look at the gun grabber
lobby these days.

The big difference between anti-IRA protestants like the UVF and the anti-gun lobby is that the anti-gunners are a lot less violent and there's no blood feud going back centuries. Catholics and Protestants had been at each others throats for hundreds of years before things in Northern Ireland got messy in the 1960s. The Brady-ites are nowhere near as viscous as the Irish Protestants. Now, will they turn informer? Yeah, in a heart beat - I think you got that right. But while there might be the occasional Earth First types bombing gun stores or shooting ranges I can't imagine anything on the scale of the sort of "Orange on Green" civilian sponsored violence that was the hallmark of the Troubles.

The insurgency would probably do a lot of the sorts of things that the IRA did - bombings, sniping, kidnapping, and occasional raids on military or law enforcement emplacements. The main difference would be that there probably wouldn't be any loyalist/pro-occupier counter-insurgents like the Ulster Volunteer Force which the IRA had to deal with. Just my two bits.

Mix a little William Wallace with Michael Collins and the "Wolverines".

Man.... I smell a feature film!

[finalDeliverance]

The anti gunners I am refering too are a lot less violent, they are passive aggressives, but they have the backing of a big brother type system. It will be the police, national guardsmen, maybe blue hats later down the road that will enact the violence. That gives the anti gunners plausible deniability (the PR war).  Look at what happened in NO during katrina. Police and national guard kicking in doors to confinscate firearms from people in high a dry areas, punchin old ladies in the face for her revolver.

[Gibson_GM]

The anti gunners I am refering too are a lot less violent, they are passive aggressives, but they have the backing of a big brother type system. It will be the police, national guardsmen, maybe blue hats later down the road that will enact the violence. That gives the anti gunners plausible deniability (the PR war).  Look at what happened in NO during katrina. Police and national guard kicking in doors to confinscate firearms from people in high a dry areas, punchin old ladies in the face for her revolver.

Exactly this. There will be no "organized resistance" since people are too comfortable, and preparation requires sacrifice and time...and missing American Idol.  We'll be hunted down, one by one, IF that day should ever arise.  We will either become "old doddering fools" who used to live a certain (and "not cool") way, and laughed at...

Or we'll be branded like the Jews of WWII and taken out. 

That's how I see it, anyway.   We either transform (which seems to be going along quite nicely), or 'normal americans' will just be turned on, turned in, persecuted....the most likely scenario.   We'll all just be criminals if we don't like what they're doing to the country.   

[reverendg]

And how do we get into cheyenne mountain, & the other top security bunkers? Ring the door bell? Also aircraft carriers, tanks, helicopters, fighter jets, bio/chemical/nukes.
All that beats my m59/66a1 any day of the week. If  seal team 6 can get osama, then picking me off will be a walk in the park

Yes, they have drones, FLIR, etc.....and we sure as heck had way more technolgy than those backwards north vietnamese or those backwards taliban and al-qaeda troops in afghanistan too.  Technology is a force multiplier, but it in itself doesn't guarantee victory.  See the previous sentence if that seems unclear to you.  Cheyenne Mountain is concerned with nukes only.  The idea of our government nuking its own people/territory, not high on my threat assessment list.
From the way you are talking though, you may just be better off disarming now and going and turning yourself in for subversive thinking.

[Chip Hazard]

We'll all just be criminals if we don't like what they're doing to the country.

You got that right.
They are already floating the idea- Some politicians want to pass a bill that if you own more than 8 firearms it's a felony.  If that ever passed expect it to go from 8 to 4 to 1 to owning any firearm is a felony.

And you can bet they'll let a rapist, drug dealer, or killer out of prison before they'd let us out.  We'd be classified as not only felons, but terrorists.

[wolfgang2000]

First of all look at history.  Tyrants want total control.  That means they want ALL guns.  Whether they get them in 1, 2, or 3 different moves is irrelevant to them.

From what I understand of the ability of the NSA ET AL, everything we say on the computer, cell phone, and maybe even the land line is being captured.  That is why they are building those data storage sites in Utah.

IMO the present administration doesn't give a flip about collateral damage.  If the ends justify the means, AND they can get away with it they will do it.  With the media in their pocket, they can get away with a LOT.  Seriously they literally stole the election.  States that didn't require picture ID had voter turn out of 110 to 175%!!  The media does nothing.  That because they are not the media.  They are propagandist.

Any "fundmental change" will require collateral damage.  Again look at history.  The only thing that changes are the names.

Now to the question.  Will a revolution work?  Look what happened when a unprepared army goes up against a prepared, and technology advanced army head to head.  Can you say Gulf war 1 and 2???   However guerrilla wars are waged and won, even today.  The was is to go old school, no or very little tech stuff.

Every one has to make their own decisions on what they will do.  A stand up fight is a loosing fight, simply by logistic.  Again history, the people under siege always loose unless supplies can continue to get to them. 

My wife and I have spent most of our adult life under the oath.  We refuse to live in a USA without a standing constitution.  We are to old and broke up to run and fight.  We figure you have to die of something. 

[BatBoy2 75]

They won't use US Troops they will bring in Foreign Troops.
Our boys will be deployed or restricted to base.

There are lots of reports about foreign troops being based in the US. 

It's too big a risk that US troops would refuse to fire on US civilians, Would you shoot your family?


The biggest threat to their plan is all the armed citizens.
Think about facing an army or 20 Million + Trained Snipers with High Power "Sniper Rifles" (Hunting Rifles to you and me).
I'm not even talking about Semi-Auto, How many of us have a Bolt Action rifle that will reach out and touch some one?

The total population of registered hunters in America today ranges from 23 million to 43.7 million individuals. (Based on annual data provided by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.)

As long as the American Hunter retains his right to Bear Arms, America will forever be safe from foreign invasion of troops.

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_30097.php

I think a Revolution would be much more effective than most people would think.

Helo's have to land and refuel, troops have to eat & sleep.

We might not be able to fight a modern army head on but hitting them when they refuel and attacking the supply train?

Except for the foreign troops ^^^^^THIS^^^^^

Kind of hard to use helos, drones, and planes without fuel, without pilots, without food, without mechanics, without spare parts. Kind of hard to target insurgents when you kill just as many, if not more, non combantants and therefore lose a PR war.

There are tons of Asymetrical ways of evening the playing field.

As for the foreign troops, little chance IMO. Their will be plenty of lefties willing to join paramilitary forces. Think Black and Tans, Red Guard, Dignaty Battalions, etc.

Any American civil war will be brutal and nasty. The Balkans, Lebenon, &  Missouri bushwakers war are your guides.

[Low speed]

There won't be one. Freedom will continue to erode gradually like the transition from Weimar Germany to the Third Reich.