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Jarret47

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Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« on: February 28, 2022, 08:25:51 PM »
Hello all,

I recently picked up a "1949" Tula with all numbers matching. It has clearly been refurbished. There are several things on the gun that point to it being from 1949, and some things that don't jel with a '49. Below is what I've come up with. BIG shoutout to Yooper John's page. It's a true lifesaver.

Period correct:
Dust cover, bolt carrier (refurb), trigger guard/housing, 90 deg gas block, hardwood stock and butt plate, bolt assy (spring assist)

Not correct:
Bayonet (blade style instead of the black spike), spring loaded safety (instead of friction)

Other items to note: I attached several photos that show the EM1999 marking appearing on all components of the gun (Dust cover, magazine, trigger guard, gas tube, gas piston, stock, bolt, bolt carrier.

Can anyone chime in as to the authenticity of this rifle as a true 1949? I assume the stock was changed out and the bayonet swapped as well, as that is the major thing I see which is not correct for a '49. Is there any chance that this was made at the tail end of '49 when they switched over to the blade style bayonet and it truly is the original stock? Thank you in advance!

Jarret47

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Re: Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2022, 08:33:51 PM »
Adding some more photos! I can upload more if necessary. TIA to anyone willing to help

Jarret47

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Re: Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2022, 08:46:16 PM »
A few more...

jstin2

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Re: Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2022, 09:00:50 PM »
If you read the last paragraph, you see that they authorized  the changeover from spike to blade. So it is probable that some of the production lines switched to blade bayonets while others continued with the spike until they either ran out or the stop date of Feb.2nd 1950 came.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/36996477

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Re: Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2022, 09:57:40 PM »
If you read the last paragraph, you see that they authorized  the changeover from spike to blade. So it is probable that some of the production lines switched to blade bayonets while others continued with the spike until they either ran out or the stop date of Feb.2nd 1950 came.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/36996477

I am curious if the receiver was from an early transitional 1950.

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Re: Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2022, 10:12:35 PM »
Rear sight appears to be a replacement(not blued). Also as you mentioned the trigger has a spring safety and it also looks that it has a raised surface and not a flat which could indicate that the trigger is also a replacement. Stock is also a replacement as you can see the original serial number has been XXXed out. Also could you take a picture of the top of the dust cover on the receiver? Would like to see if cover sits flush with the receiver or if the cover is slightly shorter. Also take a picture of the stock ferrule, if it is pinned at the top then rifle came with a blade bayonet.
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Re: Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2022, 12:26:44 PM »
With regards to trigger either having a flat or raised surface behind the magazine release, I am enclosing a picture of my early 1950 trigger. If you click on picture it will enlarge.
https://ibb.co/album/ZRrDKY

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Re: Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2022, 05:08:39 PM »
The rear sight on heavy BBQ paint refurbs was often parkerized and not painted. I have zero idea why? The rifle was most likely converted to blade  during it's first refurb. Might have seen more than one refurb in it's life. The stock is not e original as it has XXXXXd numbers.

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Re: Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2022, 05:45:57 PM »
A picture of where the stock ferrule is pinned will tell if the rifle came with either a spike or blade bayonet. Pinned at top - blade. Pinned at bottom - spike. Also the stock ferrule for a spike bayonet is smaller that for a blade bayonet.
https://ibb.co/album/C1mzsB

Jarret47

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Re: Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2022, 08:30:54 PM »
Thank you guys both very much for the great info! Attached are some photos of my dust cover as requested. Good eye on the trigger jstin! Unfortunately not original as evidenced by the step. I'll look at the ferrule pinning once I get home as I dont have a photo and can't recall.

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Re: Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2022, 08:45:43 PM »
Could you get a picture of the end of dust cover and receiver. Would like to see how it fits. Need to take a shot from the above at a 45 degree angle.

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Re: Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2022, 06:20:31 PM »
I have to agree with Pcke2000 in his wondering if the receiver is from a transitional 1950. There are too many factors indicating that it is. I was able to blow up the picture of the end of receiver with dust cover. It looks like the cover is shorter than the receiver. This could indicate that the 1949 cover although original has had the serial number scrubbed and a matching serial number stamped. When you take a picture on the end plate, this should confirm. I have also been told that in 1949 the serial numbers were stamped in one line and later years it was done on 2 lines. Now your receiver indicates that it is a early transitional 1950. It has the 90 degree gas block and eyelet latch pin. Also the early transitional came with a blade bayonet. You will also be able to confirm when you look at how it is pinned. I have owned 2 of the early bladed transitional 1950. Although there are many parts that have been swapped out, you will not find too many early transitional 1950. Now here come the kicker. I posted the article about how the Russians were switching to blades, so until Feb.2nd 1950 or they ran out of spikes. So some SKS's made in Jan. could have a spike bayonet. I gave a clue when I posted a picture of trigger on my early 1950. I also made sure that the serial number was shown. EM 717. Mine came with a spike bayonet. This could indicate that your EM 1999 was in the same assembly as mine but the changeover happened somewhere in between.

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Re: Need Some Help Determining if I have a True 1949
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2022, 06:12:15 PM »
jstin2, attached are a few additional photos. As you can see, the ferrule is pinned at the top, indicating a blade bayonet. I attached some pictures of the dust cover. I'm sorry, I'm not an expert by any means with these rifles. Are these the photos of the dust cover that you are looking for?