40 versus 10

[Rocketvapor]

SWBI is up 26% this morning.

[Onepoint]

I have never shot competition, or been all that serious about drills beyond basic skills.   Still, I have never minded the hinged trigger, always seemed to fall in the middle of stock triggers for me.  The stock Dagger trigger was hinged, and if not for the very heavy pull I would have left it. I have never cared much for the trigger shoe safeties, so I suspect its just what you get used to.   

 Having said that I am favoring flat triggers much more now.

[LESchwartz]

I called Taurus yesterday.  The lady on the phone said they are actively shipping the new TH10 to distributers.  I hope they start showing up at internet retailers within the next little bit.  I fully expect the street price to be just under $400 . . . IMHO, that's a screaming deal for a 10mm pistol . . . hopefully it will not be a piece of crap . . .

Larry

[thresher_593]

I called Taurus yesterday.  The lady on the phone said they are actively shipping the new TH10 to distributers.  I hope they start showing up at internet retailers within the next little bit.  I fully expect the street price to be just under $400 . . . IMHO, that's a screaming deal for a 10mm pistol . . . hopefully it will not be a piece of crap . . .

Larry

Thought about getting one of these but decided against adding another caliber to the inventory.

Looks really good and Rural King had good pricing.

[LESchwartz]

I did have Powder River Precision cut my slide for an optic and install their trigger. Mine was bought before optics-ready versions came out. Of course, these two mods aren’t necessary. The optic is nice for low light or night and better precision at longer ranges (think coyotes).

I have zero experience with the new XDM Elite version, but I imagine it is decent as it is basically an updated XDM.

I'm told the Elite has a better trigger.  I currently own a two-tone 9mm XDm.  While the trigger is nothing to write home about, it's not terrible.  The Elite OSP has an optics cut.  I'm not an optics fanboy, so that part doesn't matter to me.  Used XDm pistols are between $400 to $500 on Gunbroker (YMMV) . . . so it's kind of a race for me between a new Taurus and a used XDm.  I'll probably purchase whatever I can get the best deal on in the next couple months.

Larry

[Onepoint]

I wouldn't go with a used one unless it was screaming deal, you can get 6 mags with the gear up packages for about $520 some places, and those are about 30 bucks a pop.

Also I am not an optics fan boy either, but certainly have warmed up to them, especially a cut slide that mounts direct and still use the irons sights.  I still like a good 3 dot or fiber optic irons, but I like options, especially on guns not meant to conceal and the red dot was a lot easier to adjust to than I thought it would. And for resale alone I would choose one without it if an option.


I like Taurus, I have both a G2c and G3c, and a revolver but I am skeptical enough about any new thing they put out, even variants of what they have already to wait a couple years and see how it shakes out.

[LESchwartz]

I wouldn't go with a used one unless it was screaming deal, you can get 6 mags with the gear up packages for about $520 some places, and those are about 30 bucks a pop.

Most places are sold out of the "gear up packages" right now.

Larry

[Onepoint]

If you are looking local , that also seems to be the case as around here, but there was a couple online dealers with reasonable shipping FWIW.

https://www.defensedepot.com/product/xdm-elit-osp-10mm-4.5-gear-up-1

https://lockedloaded.com/product/xdm-elit-osp-10mm-4.5-gear-up-1

[LESchwartz]

Those don't look to have the "gear up package".  Here's a couple that do:

https://shopbfam.com/product/springfield-armory-xdme94510bhcospgu23-xd-m-elite-osp-gear-up-package-full-size-10mm-auto-161-4.50-black-melonite-barrel-optic-ready-serrated-slide-black-polymer-frame-w-picatinny-rail-ambidextrous

https://palmettostatearmory.com/springfield-armory-xdm-elite-10mm-osp-16rd-4-5-gear-up-xdme94510bhcospgu23.html?avad=211021_e38082395&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=cl

I've delt with Beebe before . . . free shipping and no tax last time.

Larry

[Onepoint]

Both those say they are gear up,  and descriptions shows the mags and bag, but I'm not trying to shill for anyone, shipping will be about $25 so it comes pretty close to PSA or the other one, maybe less if no sales tax involved.

[LESchwartz]

Both those say they are gear up,  and descriptions shows the mags and bag, but I'm not trying to shill for anyone, shipping will be about $25 so it comes pretty close to PSA or the other one, maybe less if no sales tax involved.

I must have been blind . . . the descriptions on the links you posted clearly show gear up . . .

Larry

[Frisco Pete]

Just a FYI update for Danjal - the new M&P 2.0, and least the newest versions, don’t have the hinged trigger. It’s actually pretty good.

I would much rather have a used XDM 10 or a new XDM 10 Elite than any Taurus, mag deal or no. The XDM is a well-proven, reliable pistol shooting the high-pressure 10mm round, while the Taurus is a newcomer and is…a Taurus.  So, historically, there can be issues, even though the G3 line isn’t bad. The extra money spent on a Springfield is worth it. Obviously S&W found it making a 10 isn’t a slam-dunk even though they won’t admit it publicly.

I have also heard that the XDM Elite trigger is a lot better from virtually all sources. The optics option is nice to have if it comes with the gun, even if you don’t plan on using it. You just never know what the future holds.

[Danjal]

I have never shot competition, or been all that serious about drills beyond basic skills.   Still, I have never minded the hinged trigger, always seemed to fall in the middle of stock triggers for me.  The stock Dagger trigger was hinged, and if not for the very heavy pull I would have left it. I have never cared much for the trigger shoe safeties, so I suspect its just what you get used to.   

 Having said that I am favoring flat triggers much more now.

IDPA and USPSA and the rest all offer training while competing. I understand many, like myself, don't care about the other guy and all the drama it entails. But the competitions do add in other factors beyond your training and force you to adapt. That alone makes them invaluable for anyone serious about defensive shooting.

[Danjal]

Just a FYI update for Danjal - the new M&P 2.0, and least the newest versions, don’t have the hinged trigger. It’s actually pretty good.

I saw that Pete. It's to the point I can consider them again. But to be honest I'm not seeing anything that's a huge draw in their direction. Before with hinged triggers I was looking at the cost and hassle replacing the worst trigger in the industry for $75-150 extra for basic function.

[LESchwartz]

FYI:  I know you can shoot 40 out of a 10mm barrel in an emergency.  I also know that they sell 40 barrels for 10mm pistols (like for the Glock 20).  I also know the reliability can be hit or miss with such conversion barrels.

On the other hand, if I wanted a cheap to feed range pistol, I would stick with 9mm -- or better yet, .22LR.

Larry