The Military in a wide-spread gun confiscation situation

[supraturbo001]

After watching those NRA videos about post-Katrina gun confiscation, I have a good idea of how the police would conduct themselves, but what about the military?

Most of the members of the military I know are genuinely good people who aren’t on some ego/power trip. A lot of them are of like mind with most of us; grew up with guns and a healthy respect of the 2nd amendment.  However, the name of the game in the military is continuity of the chain of command and following orders.

If given the order from a Prez, Governor, or some other authority figure, what percentage of military units do you think would follow through with a universal disarmament of the populace order? Would it make a difference if the country was going through a SHTF situation?

[1952Sniper]

Keep in mind the National Guard was involved in the Katrina confiscations too.  As far as I can tell, they didn't actively confiscate guns, but they provided security and support for the police while they were doing it.  So as far as I'm concerned, the NG might as well have taken the guns themselves. 

Don't kid yourself.  The military will follow orders no matter what.  Our history is replete with such examples.  Ever heard of the Bonus Army?  Our own military was used here on American soil to fire on crowds of people who were protesting.  And these weren't even civilians.  They were war veterans who were fired upon by their own comrades-in-arms!

Ever heard of the Kent State Massacre?  The National Guard fired on student protesters.

If you think for one minute that the military is going to disobey orders en masse, think again.  They will follow orders.  They will probably even enjoy it.  Your Constitutional rights don't mean jack s**t to them.  I'm sure there are a few who will not like what they're doing.  But they're not going to risk a court martial or prison time just to defend your rights.  They will assume their orders are legitimate.  And it will probably happen under circumstances that they think justifies it.  They will obey.  History proves it.  I have never seen any example of military units disobeying orders as a group.  You will, at best, see a few people disobey.  The vast majority will do what they're told.

[yugoshooter]

If the NG does that in my book they would be tyrants and fair game! I think a lot of the younger kids would run home to mommy!

[galahad]

I have never seen any example of military units disobeying orders as a group.

History is replete with evidence that proves your point but there are examples of troops not following orders.  The Bounty is one example but there have been quite a few Naval mutinies where the crew refused orders and took their ship. 

[fryeg7]

thankfully, my state has a statute that bars confiscation of weapons during an emergency, by anyone.

those who choose to do otherwise will be violating state law and my civil rights under the US constitution.

i will protect both my rights and weapons as i see fit and won't care much about the type of flag on the uniform being worn by the criminals trying to commit armed robbery against me.  they better show up with body armor rated very high . . . .

being able to pop jack-booted thugs with legal justification might just make my day .

frye

[luvmysks]

thankfully, my state has a statute that bars confiscation of weapons during an emergency, by anyone.

those who choose to do otherwise will be violating state law and my civil rights under the US constitution.

i will protect both my rights and weapons as i see fit and won't care much about the type of flag on the uniform being worn by the criminals trying to commit armed robbery against me.  they better show up with body armor rated very high . . . .

being able to pop jack-booted thugs with legal justification might just make my day .

frye

What state is that again? And how much are houses going for? 

[hollywood_heat]

thankfully, my state has a statute that bars confiscation of weapons during an emergency, by anyone.

those who choose to do otherwise will be violating state law and my civil rights under the US constitution.

I'm very sure the Feds have a bunch of respect for Kentucky law.   It might be illegal for Kentucky residents to take your guns, but if the Feds show up and you fire on them, that's federal.  "Kentucky said I could" won't fly in the federal courts.  They'll throw the book at you and hit you in the face with it faster than that bullet left the muzzle.  And that's a guarantee.

Sniper is right.  When soldiers are ordered to do something, their faces go blank and their brains quit working.  If they're told to take the guns, they will, no questions asked. 

[Wyrd]

Now I don't wanna piss all in everyone's Rambo fantasies, but for those who think THEY would make the NG/US Army run home, please keep in mind that they are well seasoned by Iraq, you think YOU got better? LMAO!

Let's get REAL, you will do exactly what the nice masked man holding the assault rifle & backed up by machine guns TELLs ou to or you will be shot to hamburger & they certainly will NOT care either way. They WILL obey orders, always have & that IS why the Founders feared a standing Army. The current USA is everything feared by the Founders.

The only ones that want to resist & live to tell the tale are those who are smart enough to escape, OR that surrender & have good enough Lawyers to win the legal fight later. You will NOT win the fire-fight.

[yugoshooter]

Then I guess you can call me ground round then because i was taught to never surrender!

[galahad]

Of course if our current President decides to COMPLETELY ignore the law all bets are off.  You might want to look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act and consider that even the Congress has forbidden the use of Federal troops in a law enforcement action.  Now I could be wrong but I BELIEVE that the National Guard troops that were active after Katrina were unarmed and were not there as law enforcement.  It was the police, including the infamous California Highway Patrolman who physically disarmed the little old lady who were violating the rights of Americans. 

[fryeg7]

really, that many of you would roll over and give 'em up?  WTF good are you to yourselves or anyone else?

frye

[galahad]

really, that many of you would roll over and give 'em up?  WTF good are you to yourselves or anyone else?

I don't think I'd just roll over and play dead.  If/when the government decides to come for my guns they will be greeted by a sign on the door that says, "Owner is armed and will stay that way.  Enter at your own personal risk as no crime has been committed on these premises a forced entry will be viewed as a home invasion."   I don't know what they will do.  Likely I'll die.  But I'm old anyway and too damned sick and tired of the crap that's going on.  As another nut once said, "Give me liberty or give me death."   Us nuts have to maintain our image, don't you know?

[1952Sniper]

Of course if our current President decides to COMPLETELY ignore the law all bets are off.

He's already done that.  More times than I can count.

Now I could be wrong but I BELIEVE that the National Guard troops that were active after Katrina were unarmed and were not there as law enforcement.

That is a rumor that got started somehow.  They were indeed armed.

[Kenneth]

They were involved in several shootings as reported by the media. Ken

[galahad]

You're right, I was wrong.  A National Guard soldier actually did shoot and kill a citizen. 

I guess it's over.  This experiment in freedom from government oppression has, in the long haul, failed.