The Military in a wide-spread gun confiscation situation

[timbo2010]

i agree with you 4 eyes,  i am wanting to believe is a shtf on a large scale (nationwide) that many soldiers may react differently. i was in the military and  to me.. it seemed different if you were on foreign soil... but if i was still on active duty now and was told to start raiding americans homes and heard it was happeneing all over the u.s.   in the back of my mind i would immediately start thinking about loved ones in the states they live in and would  shift my priorites and go defend my family... when i was sworn in i swore to defend this nation against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC, and i would then consider the federal govt. to be the enemy... i dont know the details about how the military acted  in new orleans during hurricane katrina, but if alot of it were true,  and they were dropped in that state, im willing to bet that if any of them had family in new orleans had family in there , they sure as hell wouldnt be rushing into there dads house to take his guns away from him, or they wouldnt want the other guys in his squad rushing into his dads house.. im guessing it wasnt that extreme there, but if ever got that extreme anywhere in the u.s. in the future, i  would think many soldiers would rush home to defend their loved ones and consider the u.s. politicians the enemy.

[timbo2010]

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[Spike 7.62]

My sources are soldiers I have talked to about it who weren't happy about what had happened, but who were there, and also from soldiers who knew others who were there. The 101st was indeed deployed to katrina, obviously not the entire div but there was a contingent, I don't know the size. My own unit sent assets to katrina and they releived active duty troops there. I wasn't there myself but guys who went are still in my battery.

-Spike

Sorry, but I highly doubt snipers were having a "field day", etc. Google (albeit not the most credible reference) shows no signs of anything 101st and Katrina related. I digress, my main point is, I doubt people were having wide open fire fights.

I am relaying exactly what was described to me.

- Spike

[bulldog136]

I think you mean the 82nd

[83project]

I'm not a smart man, but my opinion....    The only way that you would defeat it locally is to stop them before they go house to house. I have 4 daughters. Between my girls and my guns, the girls win every time. If it comes to that point, and I can't escape.... I'm giving up the guns.

    If it can be hindered.... well then hinder the confiscation as long as possible....  but I, as much as I would like to think I would be, am probably not going to measure up to our fine men in uniform in a combat situation in or around my home.

 I am a patriot, willing to die for country and freedom. But if it comesdown to nationwide confiscation..... it's done!

[bulldog136]

I'm not a smart man, but my opinion....    The only way that you would defeat it locally is to stop them before they go house to house. I have 4 daughters. Between my girls and my guns, the girls win every time. If it comes to that point, and I can't escape.... I'm giving up the guns.

    If it can be hindered.... well then hinder the confiscation as long as possible....  but I, as much as I would like to think I would be, am probably not going to measure up to our fine men in uniform in a combat situation in or around my home.

 I am a patriot, willing to die for country and freedom. But if it comesdown to nationwide confiscation..... it's done!

I have to disagree, I think it was tear the military apart too much for them to do it and the U.N. Soldiers would quickly give up on the idea if they would even start. For one a lot of people have preconceived notions about the U.S., in this point it would be the farm boy that could shoot the eye out of a fly at a 100 meters (Thanks SGT Alvin York!-actually this notion comes more from TV). I was amazed at the different thoughts the Iraqi's had about us.

[richtherake]

I'll shoot the balls off a fly at 300 meters with my SKS.

Then I'll play dueling banjos on my fiddle whilst training my dog to tree coons.

UN knows this.

[Dragunov]

I keep trying to tell people this ad nauseum...... I know what happened after/during Katrina. So does the military. It will not happen again. You have no idea how hard the military at the present time is training to AVOID civilians and even training to include "local militia". They are absolutely FORBIDDEN to shoot at, confiscate firearms, or disrupt civilians in any manner!

We do DARWARS and COE, I am priviledged to be on the front line of this cutting edge training.

During a (Virtual) training mission, if a student accidentally injures or kills a civilian, he/she is "strongly disciplined".

If He/she PURPOSELY injures, kills, detains or confiscates ANYTHING from a civilians personal inventory INCLUDING firearms, The student can and will be failed for the course and not be given a second chance, given different duty, and even lose rank. I'm not kidding!
three months ago, I was in a meeting with "some people who count" and this very thing was talked about at length. Soldiers will not be put in a position that tests their loyalty. ALL the higher-up know it will end badly!
 

[Gibson_GM]

I keep trying to tell people this ad nauseum...... I know what happened after/during Katrina. So does the military. It will not happen again. You have no idea how hard the military at the present time is training to AVOID civilians and even training to include "local militia". They are absolutely FORBIDDEN to shoot at, confiscate firearms, or disrupt civilians in any manner!

We do DARWARS and COE, I am priviledged to be on the front line of this cutting edge training.

During a (Virtual) training mission, if a student accidentally injures or kills a civilian, he/she is "strongly disciplined".

If He/she PURPOSELY injures, kills, detains or confiscates ANYTHING from a civilians personal inventory INCLUDING firearms, The student can and will be failed for the course and not be given a second chance, given different duty, and even lose rank. I'm not kidding!
three months ago, I was in a meeting with "some people who count" and this very thing was talked about at length. Soldiers will not be put in a position that tests their loyalty. ALL the higher-up know it will end badly!
 

We can only hope, Dragunov!  Nobody really knows how they would react or what the outcome would be if that order were given, don't you think?  Seems like these days, just about ANYTHING is possible...

Personally, I think 'someday' that 'turn 'em in, boys' order WILL be given to gun owners, "Legally", like in Australia.  And it will be supported by LE, one house at a time, with 1 to 5 yrs. in prison for refusing, and SWAT for refusing 'vehemently'.

I mean, the FCC was told by Congress and SCOTUS they can't censor the internet, but that's on the table again, it appears...over the past 2 to 4 yrs, I'm learning to not discount 1 single thing!

[nailbender]

The rights protected in the bill of rights are not given to us by the goobermit. They are given to all people by a higher power when we are born. This includes those born in other countries. It has nothing to do with America. If they take away the rights of individuals in Iraq they will do this to you. Any man that follows orders to violently rape the rights of innocent people deserved whats coming. If you are willing to surrender your child's rights to that may history forget you were my country man.

[nailbender]

I'm not a smart man, but my opinion....    The only way that you would defeat it locally is to stop them before they go house to house. I have 4 daughters. Between my girls and my guns, the girls win every time. If it comes to that point, and I can't escape.... I'm giving up the guns.

    If it can be hindered.... well then hinder the confiscation as long as possible....  but I, as much as I would like to think I would be, am probably not going to measure up to our fine men in uniform in a combat situation in or around my home.

 I am a patriot, willing to die for country and freedom. But if it comesdown to nationwide confiscation..... it's done!

Ya they would not come back later for some fun. But wait you could fend them off with a stick.

[Gibson_GM]

+1 +1 +1  !!
Once they get Amendment 2, how are you gonna stop them when they decide you can't speak out on behalf of your kids' future (1st Amendment)?  How about if they want to search your home and take your property (Amendment 4)?  How about all the other rights in the Bill of Rights?  That won't help your family one bit.

If we were to accept removal of ANY of our rights, we are doomed. Some would say that's begun already, in a slow way.  Might as well ship the family to a gulag at that point, IMO.   Better off lying in the doorway than pulling logs out of the woods with 100 other guys and a piece of rope on 1 piece of bread a day until you're tossed into a pit.
Just ask:  Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Chavez, Che, Fidel, the Jong Il family, Kosovo, and a few others.   

[MakarovingCharges]

"Best way to deal with attack ... no be there". Honestly though I am quite bothered by this eventuality. No matter who, and it may be one of many "authorities" I wouldn't recognize them as such and would have to make some very hard decisions on the spot. Most of them will probably end up with the net result of death but then again when i look at it honestly I have lived a fairly good life. The only real adventure I've ever been denied or missed out is parenthood.

[83project]

My whole point in my first post was that if it comes to a confiscation.... we have already failed.  At that point, I will not jeopardize my children. A few of you I think feel that I am not patriotic, b/c I would not get my guns and go to "war"..... but truly, at that point, we have failed to stand up for our rights.   If we would pay the lawyers.... this would not be a fear. But as long as we are depending on crooked politicians.... the ones that pay the most money win. So far, that is the anti-gun crowd!!!!

let's put our money where our mouth is....

 or hope in one hand..... see what happens!

[Gibson_GM]

I can agree with you there, for sure, 83.  Gotta join whatever group you fancy, NRA, etc.

I think what everyone is saying, tho, is that even with those lobby groups, there are 'forces' out there that will gladly ignore the will of the people and disarm the populace, $$ or not.  Congress is rapidly becoming irrelevant; these things COULD be done by executive order...

It's respectable that you'd want to put your family first; but I am one who believes that disarming may be shortly followed by rounding up those who were opposed to 'the regime' and those people will be eliminated. It has happened (too) many times in the last 100 years.  Many of the folks 'advising' in DC are former members of SDS from the 60's like Bill Ayers....as part of their mission, they admitted the necessity of getting rid of say 25 million people. I doubt that has changed much.
So they get yer guns, then they get you.  Not much of a life for a family after that!

+1, we ALL need to do more to make our views known and to protect the 2nd Amendment...and the other 9 of the Bill of Rights!  #2 protects #1, and so on.