myan calender or the bible?

[cbdolphin]

In other words, at some time in the future something is going to happen that changes the earth in a significant way.

I'll buy that.  Some day a comet will hit the earth.  Or aliens will come and use ray guns to kill lots of people.  Or there will be a huge volcano that will block out the sun for a while and cause huge changes.

I guess that, like any prediction, "eventually" it will happen.

Actually, it gets way more in depth than that but it's pointless to explain to some people.

[galahad]

In other words, at some time in the future something is going to happen that changes the earth in a significant way.

I'll buy that.  Some day a comet will hit the earth.  Or aliens will come and use ray guns to kill lots of people.  Or there will be a huge volcano that will block out the sun for a while and cause huge changes.

I guess that, like any prediction, "eventually" it will happen.

Actually, it gets way more in depth than that but it's pointless to explain to some people.

It's not me who is supporting the theory you guys are supporting, or failing to support.  Explanations are rarely pointless but I do acknowledge that some actually don't have a point.

[cbdolphin]

In other words, at some time in the future something is going to happen that changes the earth in a significant way.

I'll buy that.  Some day a comet will hit the earth.  Or aliens will come and use ray guns to kill lots of people.  Or there will be a huge volcano that will block out the sun for a while and cause huge changes.

I guess that, like any prediction, "eventually" it will happen.

Actually, it gets way more in depth than that but it's pointless to explain to some people.

It's not me who is supporting the theory you guys are supporting, or failing to support.  Explanations are rarely pointless but I do acknowledge that some actually don't have a point.

Failing to support? Regardless of what we say, your just going to criticize and mock like you do in any thread that involves someones belief in Christianity. So, yes it is pointless. You have your opinion and we have ours, except you like to marginalize other peoples while thrusting your upon a pedestal. If that doesn't fit the definition of pointless, what the heck does.

[galahad]

In other words, at some time in the future something is going to happen that changes the earth in a significant way.

I'll buy that.  Some day a comet will hit the earth.  Or aliens will come and use ray guns to kill lots of people.  Or there will be a huge volcano that will block out the sun for a while and cause huge changes.

I guess that, like any prediction, "eventually" it will happen.

Actually, it gets way more in depth than that but it's pointless to explain to some people.

It's not me who is supporting the theory you guys are supporting, or failing to support.  Explanations are rarely pointless but I do acknowledge that some actually don't have a point.

Failing to support? Regardless of what we say, your just going to criticize and mock like you do in any thread that involves someones belief in Christianity. So, yes it is pointless. You have your opinion and we have ours, except you like to marginalize other peoples while thrusting your upon a pedestal. If that doesn't fit the definition of pointless, what the heck does.

I think you have me confused with someone else.  I will argue points, one by one, but I have never mocked Christianity or those who believe it's teachings.  Do I think some of the teachings of Christianity are foolish?  I sure do.  And I will criticize those who preach that each infant born is forbidden from the Christian heaven unless they are baptized.  And it doesn't matter that the infant has no concept of what is happening or why.  Is that rational?  hardly.  Do I mock the people who go through it?  No, and as a matter of fact I supported some friends and am the godfather of their child.

Further I hardly place my opinions on a pedestal.  However if you wish to that is your prerogative.   My opinions are statements of what I believe, nothing more, nothing less.  And I hardly ever fail to support my opinions with what I consider reasonable and rational arguments. 

If you can support your view that god is going to bring Armageddon down upon the earth with reasonable and rational arguments I'm ready to hear them.  If not, that's OK too as I recognize that much of the teachings of all religions are not based on reason, they are based on belief and faith.

[Lead Slinger]

As you said cb, it's pointless to try to explain.  Some people just don't get it, and some never will.  Maybe some day the "light" will come on.  Many take the wide road, few take the narrow road.

[GunBugBit]

And I will criticize those who preach that each infant born is forbidden from the Christian heaven unless they are baptized.

You'll have a tough time finding a knowledgeable Christian who will assert that infant baptism/dedication is a requirement for entry into heaven.

If they do assert it, they

1) Are not knoweldgeable about the Bible or their church's doctrine
2) Belong to a church with a doctrine outside of a pretty broad definition of Christian orthodoxy

Some people baptize their infant under the belief that it's just something you do, it's expected, maybe even that others will think entry into heaven is based on it.

It's a tradition is several large denominations, probably because for centuries illiterate people were TOLD it was a requirement.

[galahad]

And I will criticize those who preach that each infant born is forbidden from the Christian heaven unless they are baptized.

You'll have a tough time finding a knowledgeable Christian who will assert that infant baptism/dedication is a requirement for entry into heaven.

If they do assert it, they

1) Are not knoweldgeable about the Bible or their church's doctrine
2) Belong to a church with a doctrine outside of a pretty broad definition of Christian orthodoxy

Some people baptize their infant under the belief that it's just something you do, it's expected, maybe even that others will think entry into heaven is based on it.

It's a tradition is several large denominations, probably because for centuries illiterate people were TOLD it was a requirement.

The Catholic Church taught me exactly that!  You can't get into heaven with "original sin" hanging over your head and baptism is how you get rid of original sin so infants can go to heaven.

"...Catholics believe, baptism is an instrument of salvation..."

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/infant-baptism

[ranger1968]

 The practice of infant baptism in the Catholic Church is a hold over from  the old days, when infant mortality rates were very high, much higher than they are today; baptism of the infant gave some solace and comfort to the parents that the baby would ascend to Heaven should he or she die......
 
  At this point, the practice of infant batism vs adult baptism is simply a tradition that has been carried into the modern age as a tradition, nothing more or less.....

[Akunamatata]

[captain concrete]

i always laugh at that cartoon... but in all seriousness, its as legit as anyone elses predictions/explanations of the whole scenerio. 2012 is just gonna be "another year". anyone who says they know otherwise is basically a liar.

[xtriggerman]

 Heres a link to alot of interesting briefs on the subject.
http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/1.htm#Mayan%20Calendar
 You know, it all boils down to do you believe there is room for improvment in the human existance on this world? The Bible says, as it is on earth, so it is in heaven. The human race is operating mostly on a material driven psychological foundation. Put simply, let me **** the world up, then figure out a way to clean it up later. That sort of thinking must be reversed. The 2012 predictions usher in the part in the Bible were God will change humanity "in a blink of an eye". Our crossing the galactic center starting in 2012 may be the eye starting to blink.
 The comming calamities is Gods way of gathering up the lost sheep.
As my father (wounded 3x Russian front) and a family friend (SS Officer) have told me, War has converted more athiests to believers than any other human condition.
 The Bible (or any other religious text) is not perfect. Spiritual intent translated into written words is bound to creat confusion.
The Nicean confrences that consolidated the modern books/letters of the Bible may have done more damage than good. It was sort of like letting our government decide what part of the constituion we should honor . Sota Mayor will do a slamin job of it.....I'm sure
  But for the 12th century, The church's priority was to eliminate the tribal pagans belief system... but the burning of Alexandria's libraries and the inquisition was going a bit too far. It was the Churches all out WAR.... Their way, or the hyw...er a purgatory!

[PAX]

Well put xt. There's a host of invisible forces at work in the Cosmos, gravity and magentism the big hitters that we're aware of. They're has been some indication that in certain conditions, a magenetic field can exceed the speed of light. "In a blink of an eye" could have some mathematicl rationale to those that need it. Merry Christmas all. PAX