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Re: 100% US parts SKS?
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2012, 11:19:55 AM »
CNC machines cost BIG $$$. Owner has to get ROI. Not any cheaper than an old manual machine and a machinist, just a different focus on where the cost is.
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Re: 100% US parts SKS?
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2012, 11:28:03 AM »
again, depends on the size and new-ness...yes brand new CNC=big money... SKS wont be the sole item punch out ;) retrofitted manual machine with CNC control is cheaper...older CNC machine thats been replaced by newer machines are cheaper than brand new CNC machines... yes it would be expensive at first but if the market is there...it will get cheaper eventually; and I don't know if Norinco or other countries are still making SKS for export?
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Re: 100% US parts SKS?
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2012, 01:49:49 PM »
ROI isn't just based upon initial investment.
Plain and simple - if there were any decent money to be made in it someone would already be doing it.
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Re: 100% US parts SKS?
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2012, 11:03:29 PM »
  Hey go for it ,,let us know how it works out...This is America, meaning you have the right to waste I mean spend your money any way you see fit . :lol:
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Re: 100% US parts SKS?
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2012, 11:40:32 AM »
As a tool maker for the past 27 years I can tell you there is NO way to do 10 lowers per hour on a cnc or any other machine for that matter. I have been taking my two young boys to the shop on the weekends to make triggers for the hi-point guns seen here http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289174 and yees we make a little money doing it but the reason I did this was to teach them about marketing ,sales ,customer service ...well you get the idea really just how hard it is to make a buck these days the bottom line is we have about 45 minutes in each trigger and sell them for 20.00 each shipped. Now you take out the fee's for paypal,or credit cards , shipping , shipping supply's and our time (not to mention the hours I have in the design work and programming of this ...and I mean HOURS of time ) they each clear about 3.00 per trigger . For me to sit down a design a lower for the SKS ,program and to get everything going after all the "free" time I bet you could not run one in under 2 hours...given shop rates of 60.00 an hour that would be about half of the whole gun. Not to mention to sell a lower you now need to be an FFL dealer with the ATF as that is what they consider " the gun" and I am really sure that's not cheap to do ....I wont even touch making the barrel ...that's a whole batch of problems ...good luck

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Re: 100% US parts SKS?
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2012, 11:47:00 AM »
As a tool maker for the past 27 years I can tell you there is NO way to do 10 lowers per hour on a cnc or any other machine for that matter. I have been taking my two young boys to the shop on the weekends to make triggers for the hi-point guns seen here http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289174 and yees we make a little money doing it but the reason I did this was to teach them about marketing ,sales ,customer service ...well you get the idea really just how hard it is to make a buck these days the bottom line is we have about 45 minutes in each trigger and sell them for 20.00 each shipped. Now you take out the fee's for paypal,or credit cards , shipping , shipping supply's and our time (not to mention the hours I have in the design work and programming of this ...and I mean HOURS of time ) they each clear about 3.00 per trigger . For me to sit down a design a lower for the SKS ,program and to get everything going after all the "free" time I bet you could not run one in under 2 hours...given shop rates of 60.00 an hour that would be about half of the whole gun. Not to mention to sell a lower you now need to be an FFL dealer with the ATF as that is what they consider " the gun" and I am really sure that's not cheap to do ....I wont even touch making the barrel ...that's a whole batch of problems ...good luck
Good points, but with minor adjustments:
SKS has no "lower". It's just a plain "receiver"  :lol:
The FFL requirement would be "manufacturer" rather than "dealer" - a whole 'nuther ball o' wax!
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Re: 100% US parts SKS?
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2012, 08:29:07 PM »
  I know it's not cost effective,  but if you do make one,  make all the parts you can out of aluminum.  That would be cool.  These are all the reasons why I've always told people the SKS is not a pos.  It's surplus made by nations with collective big pockets. 
  Just because once upon a time you could buy one for $59 doesn't make them cheap,  it made them inexpensive.  There is a difference.  People equate value, or quality with $$$,  that is not always the case.  Sometimes you get what you pay for,  sometimes you get more.  That is the SKS.  Even at current prices. 

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Re: 100% US parts SKS?
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2012, 01:43:42 AM »
I know I'm going to get a ton of flack for this...
But what about a stamped receiver instead of milled?  Not like it hasn't been done before...
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Re: 100% US parts SKS?
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2012, 02:02:41 AM »
an idea..but.....no less labor intensive than just milling. at least if its anything like I've done...(punching metal and bending metal and drilling holes and aligning parts)
so. ok 100% US made is out...what about JUST the receiver? kinda like Volquartsen's 10/22 receivers? would there be a market for a receiver that say...accepts AK barrels, AK magazines, has rails to accept Bullpup style stocks, or some sort of "enhanced battle rifle" chassis system, and compatible parts? I mean, I see theres a market for bullpup layout SKS....and a market for AK magazine'd SKS....why not combine them, and also make it hmm....easier to put bullpups together with minimal fitting? like engineering a complete trigger system and chassis system....heck, one could make it much simpler and have just stamped metal buttstock and rail bases to attach rails to and give it removable pistol grip...more like the SA80/L85A1s?
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Re: 100% US parts SKS?
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2012, 07:54:28 PM »
You sure haven't been in the realm of manufacturing have you? Need to learn, CNC does not solve the worlds machining problems. The experience you stated you have has no relation to an all machined/milled SKS. Perhaps to a stamped sheet metal AK only.

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Re: 100% US parts SKS?
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2012, 08:10:35 PM »






I don't see sheet metal parts other than than the feed tubes..I machined the double barreled Spyder out of a solid block of T6061 aluminum...which was $30 for the metal, plus $50 for the two donor spyders....granted; theyre only air powered gelatin launching platforms, but....100% milled receivers. had it running 900PSI of air...sold it a while back..the AR look-alike...I machined the magazine well adapter.....I went to school for machining back in 2003 and graduated in 2007 on CNC and manual machines...true, I am NOT a manufacturing engineer, also true that I don;t have as much experience, BUT....I keep hearing of people lamenting the days of cheap semi autos (Garands, M1 carbines, Mausers, et cetera)....and yes I realize its NOT cost effective at the time right now.... just an idea.....to leave the original stuff alone and make a part that would accept new stuff and uhm, make more tacti-cool stuff? :) ideas. I have way too many ideas and never the opportunity to make them happen :(
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Re: 100% US parts SKS?
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2012, 08:27:35 PM »
No comparison to a high powered rifle. Try to make an SKS and you may tactical cool yourself into early demise.
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