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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2013, 04:03:54 PM »
Appreciate the sticky Ranger, thanks!! 

RM, congrats on the sticky and great job keeping these suckers all figured out for those of us with ADD, ADHD, poor memories or the inability to keep all these details straight!

Believe me, the poor memory is catching up with me!   I was looking through old threads from back in July last night, cataloguing some of the 2-post newbies guns, and it was like I was reading some of this stuff for the first time, even though I had posts in some of the threads!  :geek: :doh:

The six digit guns are the interesting ones…considering the Sino-Banian six digit guns have two examples under 200k: 167208 & 198929.  Mr. C is trying to track photos of them down to verify the /26\ stamps.  Considering that we've had two (verified with photos) 3 mill /26\ guns in this IO batch, it may very well be that those two Sino-Banians are non /26\ guns and the ghost guns ended at 200k.  Then again, if they have the correct /26\ arsenal marks, I'll have to eat crow and give Mr. C props for proposing the two arsenal / parallel production hypothesis! :sad3:

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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2013, 04:10:59 PM »
Yup....  either way, SOMEONE is eating crow!    :lol:     could be me.    :oops:

Furthermore....  If I'm wrong and those are simply two ghost rifles that were in the century batch, we have another issue to contend with. 

What would the order be then?... 

1) letter prefix /26\ sino
2) non /26\ ghost
3) /26\ 6 digit

Dont make any dang sense to start applying the /26\, then stop, then start again?      :?


1)  non /26\ ghost
2) /26\ 6 digit
3) letter prefix /26\ sino

 :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:


1) non /26\ ghost
2) /26\ 6 digit
3) letter prefix /26\ sino

No option maks any sense......     :banghead:





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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2013, 04:39:38 PM »
Now....  the parallel arsenal theory. (If you believe the Chinese wouldn't put all their eggs in one basket)  Why wouldn't they take the Izzy and Tula machinery to 2 different locations/facilities?

Ghost rifles made at an undisclosed arsenal in parallel with sinos 1956.... and the rest is easy.

1) letter prifix /26\ sino
2) missing 1957 6 digit /26\
3) 2 mil /26\ 1958
Etc
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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2013, 04:41:38 PM »
Yup....  either way, SOMEONE is eating crow!    :lol:     could be me.    :oops:

Furthermore....  If I'm wrong and those are simply two ghost rifles that were in the century batch, we have another issue to contend with. 

What would the order be then?... 

1) /26\ sino
2) non /26\ ghost
3) /26\ 6 digit

Dont make any dang sense to start applying the /26\, then stop, then start again?      :?

If we could verify that they started this ghost gun run w/o the /26\ and then at some known S/N magically started using the /26\ stamp, my opinion would be:

1) '55ish Initial Sino-Soviet startup test run, w/o /26\, 100% Russian supplied hardware, Soviet-Sinos were the first 2000? produced on fresh receivers pulled from the Tula assembly line (already star stamped), Arctic birch stocks with bottom swivels?
2) '56 First domestically produced run, 4/5/6 digit ghosts w/o /26\
3) '57 Sino-Banian 6 digit /26\
4) '58 Sino-Banian 2 mil /26\
5) '59 Sino-Banian 3 mil /26\
6) '60-62 Sino-Soviet /26\ first time we see the side swivels as standard.  Russians cleaned out their old supplies as they 100% wound down production.  Chinese didn't want to contaminate their domestic lines, but weren't going to waste all the freebies the Ruskies gave them.

x) '63?? 6 million /26\
That's taking major liberties with assumptions on data we don't even have yet though! :oops: :lol:   Right now I can say I'm as right as you until we get some additional solid data! :)

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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2013, 04:49:01 PM »
Welp...   the parallel arsenal would explain the side/bottom swivels without moving the letter prefix sino to 60-62.   :lol:

The ghost factory could have simply been using up all the russian bottom swivels.
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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2013, 05:39:18 PM »
Seriously guys....reading this, contemplating it and trying to flesh it all out in my head is reminiscent of my Ex-DDR research days. Man, I must have spent 100's of hours searching, reading, looking and thinking about every possible and plausible scenario under the sun. Hopefully, all the work you guys are doing actually ends in some real ANSWERS! All I really got from the DDR thing was a ton more questions!
I've given up caring what people think and do anymore....

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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2013, 05:51:10 PM »
I know you right Drago...    I tell ya what though.  As soon as I get this ghost from my ole man, I'm breaking them both down and inspecting these things side/side with a magnifying glass.  Im just afraid it will only open another rabbit hole.

I sure hope board member notabiker replies to my message and we get a better look at his 167208 serial rifle that may overlap into the non /26\ ghost rifles.
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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2013, 07:17:22 PM »
Received the first of 5 today.

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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2013, 07:28:36 PM »
I know you right Drago...    I tell ya what though.  As soon as I get this ghost from my ole man, I'm breaking them both down and inspecting these things side/side with a magnifying glass.  Im just afraid it will only open another rabbit hole.

I sure hope board member notabiker replies to my message and we get a better look at his 167208 serial rifle that may overlap into the non /26\ ghost rifles.
Yeah, that sks and any other like that one needs a full inspection. Enough of those and hopefully a new pattern will emerge.
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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2013, 08:15:38 PM »
sorry, forgot to mention my chinese cover is "16395"

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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2013, 09:00:23 PM »
Here's a IO Russian "sneek" on Gunbroker.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=379260986

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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2013, 09:03:52 PM »
Here's a IO Russian "sneek" on Gunbroker.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=379260986

This gun shop is local to me.  Just right down the road...
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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2013, 11:52:34 PM »
Here's a IO Russian "sneek" on Gunbroker.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=379260986
for $484, the least he could do is clean it.

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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
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Re: Keeping track of the IO Inc. Imports
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