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Decter

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SKS Mod
« on: January 17, 2020, 11:06:37 PM »
Planning my SKS and was hoping for some insight.  Hoping to add the FAB Defense stock (link below) to my SKS.

https://www.fab-defense.com/en/category-buttstocks/id-2375/complete-sks-chassis-system-uas.html

To get it to 922 compliance, already have the below on order/in hand:
- SKS Gas Piston (-1)
- Swap the VZ 58 Pistol Grip for a Magpul (null +1 then -1)       
- ProMag 10 round magazine (-2), will also be pinning it into the stock to comply w/ California laws

That gets my total imported/ATF recognized components down to 11.  I'm trying to stay away from modifying the trigger, sear and hammer.  Trigger group is going to be redone by Kivaari in the near future and he advised that I stay more OEM on those components.

Any recommendations on what else I can swap out to maintain 922 compliance?  Any idea how the ATF defines "stock?"

I ask because the FAB defense has an M4 collapsible buttstock which I may be able to swap out for a Magpul or equivalent.  Not sure if this would count or not though.

Thanks all!!!

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Re: SKS Mod
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2020, 12:56:37 AM »
Their web site says that the FAB stock is made in Israel, so no 922r help there as you have an imported stock, pistol grip and hand guard with that unit.

Since your adding an Israeli PG, I think I understand your comment about the PG.  However, I'm not sure you could simply unbolt the PG.

So my math is 14 (OE imported parts) + 1 (imported PG) - 4 (US parts) = 11.

You might be able to swap the FAB collapsible butt stock for a US made unit.  That should get your count down to 10.  I'm not sure how easy it would be to do that swap and have everything bolt up correctly.

I think you're likely going to have to go against Kivaari's advice if you want to lower your pars count further.  For more information, see this post: http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=27678.msg310224#msg310224.

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Re: SKS Mod
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2020, 01:34:31 AM »
Thank you for the reply.

Upside, I have verified that the pistol grip can be removed (it's apart of the install and they sell them separately).

Considering adding the below as a US made option.

https://shop.roninsgrips.com/Czech-vz58-Israeli-Galil-Ultra-Style-with-Screw-Czech-vz58-Israeli.htm

Maybe I'll have to reach out to Kivaari and ask if he is willing to add a Murray's trigger for me at my cost during his tune up.

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Re: SKS Mod
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2020, 10:21:18 AM »
Ronin is good people.  I've purchased from him years ago before he had a slick web site and did his advertising on various boards.

In addition to checking with Kavaari, you should check in with Murray too.

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Re: SKS Mod
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2020, 01:28:33 PM »
You guys can figure out the 922 issues.

What i see is that the stock has a riser behind the receiver cover. Meaning the entire barreled receiver must be removed to clean.  Also, one would be constantly removing the complete the front grip to clean the gas tube. Flipping a switch is different then removing 4 set screws. "Integrated enhanced magazine release lever" Sounds good but only necessary if it will accept high capacity mags.  Also - would you be able to use one of Mlts adapters in that stock? They do not list the weight? I wounder if the rifle would still be balanced? Lighter is better though.  If it is lighter?

Sure looks go! 

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Re: SKS Mod
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2020, 02:12:18 PM »
What i see is that the stock has a riser behind the receiver cover.

Yeah, I noticed that too.

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Re: SKS Mod
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2020, 02:21:32 PM »
Maybe some other butt stock would be able to replace the one on FAB's "M4 style".  At $278 it's pretty pricey though.

Question: what attracts you to this stock?  (Other than it's good looks.)

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Re: SKS Mod
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2020, 02:35:56 PM »
D, that stock may be illegal in Kali. PAX
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Re: SKS Mod
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2020, 04:13:56 PM »
You guys can figure out the 922 issues.

What i see is that the stock has a riser behind the receiver cover. Meaning the entire barreled receiver must be removed to clean.  Also, one would be constantly removing the complete the front grip to clean the gas tube. Flipping a switch is different then removing 4 set screws. "Integrated enhanced magazine release lever" Sounds good but only necessary if it will accept high capacity mags.  Also - would you be able to use one of Mlts adapters in that stock? They do not list the weight? I wounder if the rifle would still be balanced? Lighter is better though.  If it is lighter?

Sure looks go! 


The riser moves forward and rear and is held in place via spring based compression.  Allows for easy, though not as easy as stock, removal of the dust cover.  I've only found a few videos online for this install, mostly in Russia. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEtg_o6ezt0&t=2228s                    Check around 30:20

Fab Defense website lists the stock at 1160 gr or 41 oz.  Will weigh my wooden stock later and let you guys know, but most of the weights posted are around 20-30 oz meaning I'll have around 1 lbs of increase. 

Benefit to this stock as well, if/when I move from California I can remove the pins and convert it over to the duck bill style magazine if I choose.

Maybe some other butt stock would be able to replace the one on FAB's "M4 style".  At $278 it's pretty pricey though.

Question: what attracts you to this stock?  (Other than it's good looks.)

Larry

Larry, happily I didn't pay anywhere near that amount.  Over Xmas, they ran a sale and I got an OD green one shipped for $150.  Still waiting for it to arrive though, snail mail from Israel is not going very quickly.

Nearly 100% aesthetic.  Before I made the decision, I took all the stocks I was considering and resized them using the back of the dust cover and front of the gas block to be identically rendered (or close) then put them next to one another and decided which direction I wanted to go.  An example is below. 



Left is standard barrel length + stocks, middle decreased to paratrooper length visually though I'll need to verify the barrel is > 16.5 and total is > 30 inches, the right side was just for fun visually and to use as a comparison.  Will be too short but wanted a right sided visual to level the field.

To each their own I guess, but I preferred the FAB Defense look.  Using it is making 922 more complicated, but it is a project so why not go for it no?

D, that stock may be illegal in Kali. PAX

Pax, what were you concerned about regarding Kali compliance?  Catching it now is MUCH preferably to finding out the hard way later.  Still awaiting parts so I have plenty of time yet.
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Re: SKS Mod
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2020, 04:47:47 PM »
Adjustable butt length, but then it's fixed 10 so all evil is good. PAX
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