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Shipping C&R Handguns
« on: May 28, 2021, 11:22:56 AM »
Quote from: USPS
432.2 Handguns
Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in this section, after the filing of an affidavit or statement described in 432.22 or 432.24, and are subject to the following:

Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2 and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 431.3.

I sold one of my C&R pistols on GunBroker.  Last time I shipped one, Gunbroker shipping via FedEx overnight was around $60.  This time it came up at $125 -- HOLY CRUD!  So I started looking into alternatives.  It turns out C&R holders can ship handguns via the less expensive USPS services, just like other FFL holders.  Hurray!  They can ship C&R handguns, but only if they're antiques.  WTF!  Well thanks for nothing.

BTW, it turns out it's way cheaper to ship using the FedEx web site than the Gunbroker shipping web site . . . Gunbroker used to give substantially better rates than the FedEx site, thanks again for nothing.  It was also cheaper using FedEx's packaging (I used one of their small boxes), than my own random sized box.  I was also able to save some more bucks by keeping the packaging to the bare minimum.  Got the price down to about $80 in the end.

Over the years, it's become more and more difficult to ship C&R handguns reasonably:  When I shipped my first one, I only needed to use one of the UPS air services (2-day or 3-day was fine) -- now they require the more expensive next day air services.  So does FedEx.  It looks like least expensive way for mere mortals to a ship handgun is to take it to an 01 FFL and let them ship it USPS priority mail.  Unfortunately, this means paying an FFL transfer fee . . . and mine just raised his.

For more information, see:  https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm

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Re: Shipping C&R Handguns
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2021, 11:35:09 AM »
At this rate, I may have to trade in my C&R license for an 01 license just for the savings in shipping costs.  Not to mention the crap I keep getting from fud FFLs who only accept shipments from "real FFLs".  Not to mention the savings in transfer fees on non-C&R stuff.

Such a far cry from the early 1960s when my dad bought a revolver from the Sears catalog and had it mailed directly to the house . . .

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Re: Shipping C&R Handguns
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2021, 03:15:46 PM »
FFL holders can ship handguns Priority mail, Non-licensees have to ship at least 2nd day Air(cheapest air method that I'm aware of) it does not have to go over night. When I worked in gunshops distributors shipped 2nd day and Priority to us all the time and it should stipulate that in the ATF shipping guidelines and regulations.

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Re: Shipping C&R Handguns
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2021, 08:51:12 PM »
Non-licensees have to ship at least 2nd day Air(cheapest air method that I'm aware of).

I'm not sure I understand:  Non-licensees cannot ship handguns via the USPS.  Both UPS and FedEx require handguns to ship next day air.  They (well at least UPS) used to accept handguns via any of their "air services", but they don't anymore.  Long guns have way more options.  I think businesses can talk to their sales rep and get the restrictions eased, but not individuals.

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Re: Shipping C&R Handguns
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2021, 11:49:40 PM »
Okay, so I am totally laughing at myself right now. I majorly misread your OP and was thinking you were wanting help on how to ship.

I realize now, after rereading it all, that you are just ranting on GB for yet another stupid thing they don't do very well and take our money for.

Just disregard my other posts and have a good laugh on me. :oops: :banghead: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Shipping C&R Handguns
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2021, 11:58:31 PM »
I haven't sold on GunBroker for a number of years.  Unfortunately, Armslist pretty much destroyed their business by charging buyers instead of just sellers.  Since they started that nonsense, it's crickets when I place an ad.  Unfortunately, that means I'm starting to have to ship firearms again.  And that means hassles with the greedy folks at UPS and FedEx . . . as well as the politically motivated folks at USPS . . .

What I can't believe is that instead of getting a discount when using GB shipping, I'm now paying a premium . . .  :banghead:

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Re: Shipping C&R Handguns
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2021, 12:18:23 PM »
Yeah, I have not used GB shipping as I have a Fedex account and use Multi ship through PayPal for anything USPS related.

Looks like, based on your experience, I never will be using GB for shipping, LOL.

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Re: Shipping C&R Handguns
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2021, 12:53:20 PM »
Looks like, based on your experience, I never will be using GB for shipping, LOL.

Maybe it will get sorted out in the future . . . not too long ago GB shipping gave pretty good discounts.  Maybe they will again some day.

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Re: Shipping C&R Handguns
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2021, 01:01:30 PM »
Blame it on the new owners, LOL.

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