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monaderio

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I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« on: October 17, 2023, 07:06:19 PM »
Just a question, if I try to make a 922r compliant rifle with US-made parts, where would I find those necessary parts if they are not available in the US market? I am feeling completely lost and uncertain.
Do the 922r compliance parts include parts made by me in the US?
Here is the pistol grip that has been made from the hardwood in US myself  :)

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Re: I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2023, 07:18:24 PM »
Just a question, if I try to make a 922r compliant rifle with US-made parts, where would I find those necessary parts if they are not available in the US market? I am feeling completely lost and uncertain.
As a practical matter, certain US-made parts may be available from suppliers outside the US (Canadian suppliers  most likely).  Otherwise your limited to what's available stateside.  Don't forget about the secondary and used markets.

Do the 922r compliance parts include parts made by me in the US?

Yes.
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Re: I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2023, 07:21:33 PM »
Here are the relevant parts in an SKS Carbine:

1. Receiver
2. Barrel
3. Bolt *
4. Bolt carrier
5. Gas piston *
6. Trigger housing
7. Trigger
8. Hammer
9. Sear
10. Disconnector
11. Stock *
12. Handguard *
13. Magazine body *
14. Follower *

Note: This list has been confirmed by ATF.

To the best of my knowledge items with the asterisk are or have been available from US manufacturers.  Most folks replace items 11 through 14 when they modify their SKS.  Make sure to keep the original parts so as to be able to return the rifle to it's OE configuration in the future.

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Re: I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2023, 07:57:55 PM »
Here are the relevant parts in an SKS Carbine:

1. Receiver
2. Barrel
3. Bolt *
4. Bolt carrier
5. Gas piston *
6. Trigger housing
7. Trigger
8. Hammer
9. Sear
10. Disconnector
11. Stock *
12. Handguard *
13. Magazine body *
14. Follower *

Note: This list has been confirmed by ATF.

To the best of my knowledge items with the asterisk are or have been available from US manufacturers.  Most folks replace items 11 through 14 when they modify their SKS.  Make sure to keep the original parts so as to be able to return the rifle to it's OE configuration in the future.

Larry

The Tapco gas piston is nearly impossible to find.
Nobody in the US is making bolt carriers and bolts.
I haven't even mentioned the receivers and barrels that are produced in the United States.
Trigger, hammer, and sear are still available. 3 count.
Stocks are in stock, but the rifle is losing its original appearance. 1 count.
Handguards are available. 1 count.
Tapco was doing decent mags for SKS with a US-made body and follower. 2 counts.

There are currently 7 parts available, but I require additional parts which is problematic.





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Re: I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2023, 09:43:43 PM »
Tapco made bolts for a short time.  I owned one.  You might be able to find one on the used market.

So why do you think you require additional parts?  The rule can be summarized as "10 or less imported parts".  Since the normal SKS only 14 imported parts, you only need to replace four of them . . .

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Re: I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2023, 10:00:49 PM »
Tapco made bolts for a short time.  I owned one.  You might be able to find one on the used market.

So why do you think you require additional parts?  The rule can be summarized as "10 or less imported parts".  Since the normal SKS only 14 imported parts, you only need to replace four of them . . .

Larry

Thanks for the clear explanation. Can I install a wooden pistol grip on the original Chinese stock by replacing some imported parts? "Is it legal?"

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Re: I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2023, 10:39:01 PM »
Thanks for the clear explanation. Can I install a wooden pistol grip on the original Chinese stock by replacing some imported parts? "Is it legal?"

I am not a lawyer, so take the following accordingly:  My understanding is that installing a pistol grip on the stock is "non sporting" and would trigger 922(r).  As such you will need to replace four OE parts with US-made ones.  The magazine and stock /handguard would normally be the ones replaced.  But since it looks like your wish to keep the OE stock, you'll need to acquire another part instead.

As an alternative, maybe consider something like the Tapco or Choate stock.

Larry
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Re: I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2023, 10:34:32 AM »
Thanks for the clear explanation. Can I install a wooden pistol grip on the original Chinese stock by replacing some imported parts? "Is it legal?"

I am not a lawyer, so take the following accordingly:  My understanding is that installing a pistol grip on the stock is "non-sporting" and would trigger 922(r).  As such you will need to replace four OE parts with US-made ones.  The magazine and stock /handguard would normally be the ones replaced.  But since it looks like you wish to keep the OE stock, you'll need to acquire another part instead.

As an alternative, maybe consider something like the Tapco or Choate stock.

Larry

It seems that I can use an aftermarket stock with a pistol grip made in the USA, but I'm unable to attach the wooden grip to the Chinese stock, even if I replace four US-made parts. This sounds strange.

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Re: I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2023, 10:51:55 AM »
You can attach your wooden grip to the Chinese stock, if you also replace four imported parts with US-made ones.  Unfortunately, the stock / handguard are the two most popular parts to replace because of their availability.  If your set on using the Chinese stock with your grip, you will have to swap out a different part.  You could also attach your pistol grip to a US-made conventional stock, at which point you would only need three more parts.

What's so nasty about the pistol grip:  Pistol grips are on a vague and semi-constantly morphing list of "restricted features" the government has decided would restrict an SKS from importation.  They have further decided that if an SKS can't be imported with a pistol grip, you can't add one once it's here either.  It's a seldom (maybe even never) enforced regulation, so a large number of people are either unaware or just don't care.

Despite what is said publicly, this whole thing is a crazy way to keep low cost imported firearms out of the USA.  This keeps prices up, protects US manufacturers and restricting poorer citizens from purchasing a firearm.  So you're correct, these rules can sound strange times . . .

Larry

PS:  there are some stickies at the top of the legal forum which describe this in more detail.  You can also check out the link in my sig if you feel like you want your head to explode.
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Re: I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2023, 11:22:38 AM »
I prefer the original wooden stock on the SKS rifle and will skip adding a pistol grip to avoid violating government regulations.
Thanks.

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Re: I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2023, 11:26:00 AM »
I built this monstrosity to comply with 922r. The Shernic stock set, TAPCO bolt, piston & fixed 10/20 mag (Kali), Murray 2 piece FP & trigger pack. I also used a ribbed gas tube (likely Chinese), and US made BUIS, vertical grip & rail. Prolly overkill. It's hideous and weights a ton empty, but I'm trying to warm up to it. I traded a kid in NC a Yugo 59/66 stock set for the Shernic and used the last SARCO barreled action I had. Chopped the barrel to 18.5" which left enough muzzle OD under cut to use a neutered front globe (incase the next guy goes conventional-won't need a P50). At that length the OAL was a bust so I added a Ramline brake to bump it a 1/4" over. I also use an Alby bolt carrier to make it more "scarry". PAX

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Re: I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2023, 01:20:27 AM »
I built this monstrosity to comply with 922r. The Shernic stock set, TAPCO bolt, piston & fixed 10/20 mag (Kali), Murray 2 piece FP & trigger pack. I also used a ribbed gas tube (likely Chinese), and US made BUIS, vertical grip & rail. Prolly overkill. It's hideous and weights a ton empty, but I'm trying to warm up to it. I traded a kid in NC a Yugo 59/66 stock set for the Shernic and used the last SARCO barreled action I had. Chopped the barrel to 18.5" which left enough muzzle OD under cut to use a neutered front globe (incase the next guy goes conventional-won't need a P50). At that length the OAL was a bust so I added a Ramline brake to bump it a 1/4" over. I also use an Alby bolt carrier to make it more "scarry". PAX



Is that stock painted? I didn't see the FDE option on their website.

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Re: I'm confused with 922r Compliance Parts List
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2023, 01:44:16 AM »
Yes it's painted. It came to me with funky green leaf over black camo. PAX
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