SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock

[monaderio]

I have a question. If I swap the stocks from M to D, does it make the SKS-M not authentic?
The Monte Carlo stock is quite heavy.

[monaderio]

The original D stock has replaced the Monte Carlo fancy stock. I like this change.

[cvasqu03]

I have a question. If I swap the stocks from M to D, does it make the SKS-M not authentic?
The Monte Carlo stock is quite heavy.

Yes, it makes it not authentic, but that shouldn't matter as long as you like it.  It's your rifle and it's really for you to like.

The real problem is there might be some legal issues involved.  The M's were imported for a brief time in the 1990's in their configuration because the "Monte Carlo" or thumbhole stocks they came with were considered "sporting" versus the SKS D's stock which is considered a military stock.  When you see both of them side by side, it's a ridiculous distinction since they're very much alike, but that's the way it was done and putting a military stock on it may bring it out of compliance with the rules it was imported under so you'd have to reduce the number of US made parts to get back in compliance. 

[monaderio]

I have a question. If I swap the stocks from M to D, does it make the SKS-M not authentic?
The Monte Carlo stock is quite heavy.

  When you see both of them side by side, it's a ridiculous distinction since they're very much alike, but that's the way it was done and putting a military stock on it may bring it out of compliance with the rules it was imported under so you'd have to reduce the number of US made parts to get back in compliance.

The rifle does not contain any US-made parts. I can comply with the 922r regulation by increasing the use of US-made parts instead of Chinese parts. Am I correct?
I'll put the Monte Carlo stock back since the legal situation is unclear at the moment.

[LESchwartz]

It's unclear if switching from one standard style monti carlo stock to another would trigger 922(r) or not.  We used to talk such things pretty regularly in the legal forum.  Our conclusion was that since you weren't changing the "configuration" it would not trigger 922(r).  However, YMMV and the only way to know for certain is to write the ATF.

Larry

[monaderio]

It's unclear if switching from one standard style monti carlo stock to another would trigger 922(r) or not.  We used to talk such things pretty regularly in the legal forum.  Our conclusion was that since you weren't changing the "configuration" it would not trigger 922(r).  However, YMMV and the only way to know for certain is to write the ATF.

Larry

I temporarily reinstalled the Monte Carlo stock onto the SKS-M rifle and began searching for replacement US-made parts. I already have a US-made short piston for the paratrooper gas tube, a Tapco magazine, and a Tapco handguard. I think it's a total of 5 pieces, but I want to keep the original wooden handguard. That's why I started looking for trigger group parts.

[cvasqu03]

It's unclear if switching from one standard style monti carlo stock to another would trigger 922(r) or not.  We used to talk such things pretty regularly in the legal forum.  Our conclusion was that since you weren't changing the "configuration" it would not trigger 922(r).  However, YMMV and the only way to know for certain is to write the ATF.

Larry

I temporarily reinstalled the Monte Carlo stock onto the SKS-M rifle and began searching for replacement US-made parts. I already have a US-made short piston for the paratrooper gas tube, a Tapco magazine, and a Tapco handguard. I think it's a total of 5 pieces, but I want to keep the original wooden handguard. That's why I started looking for trigger group parts.

You could get a Kivaari trigger upgrade, and that would give you three more parts. 

I really wish somebody would start making U.S. made military type stocks again.  I seem to remember sometime ago somebody here had gotten a stock duplicator that they were using to make some of these, but then I stopped hearing about it.   With a stock duplicator they could take a D stock and make a close enough copy that it would just need some final fitting.  Does anyone remember who it was?

[monaderio]

It's unclear if switching from one standard style monti carlo stock to another would trigger 922(r) or not.  We used to talk such things pretty regularly in the legal forum.  Our conclusion was that since you weren't changing the "configuration" it would not trigger 922(r).  However, YMMV and the only way to know for certain is to write the ATF.

Larry

I temporarily reinstalled the Monte Carlo stock onto the SKS-M rifle and began searching for replacement US-made parts. I already have a US-made short piston for the paratrooper gas tube, a Tapco magazine, and a Tapco handguard. I think it's a total of 5 pieces, but I want to keep the original wooden handguard. That's why I started looking for trigger group parts.

You could get a Kivaari trigger upgrade, and that would give you three more parts. 

I really wish somebody would start making U.S. made military type stocks again.  I seem to remember sometime ago somebody here had gotten a stock duplicator that they were using to make some of these, but then I stopped hearing about it.   With a stock duplicator they could take a D stock and make a close enough copy that it would just need some final fitting.  Does anyone remember who it was?

They are manufacturing SKS rifle stocks.  https://www.luckyshotwoodstocks.com/product-page/sks-stock-original-design

[monaderio]

It's unclear if switching from one standard style monti carlo stock to another would trigger 922(r) or not.  We used to talk such things pretty regularly in the legal forum.  Our conclusion was that since you weren't changing the "configuration" it would not trigger 922(r).  However, YMMV and the only way to know for certain is to write the ATF.

Larry

I temporarily reinstalled the Monte Carlo stock onto the SKS-M rifle and began searching for replacement US-made parts. I already have a US-made short piston for the paratrooper gas tube, a Tapco magazine, and a Tapco handguard. I think it's a total of 5 pieces, but I want to keep the original wooden handguard. That's why I started looking for trigger group parts.

You could get a Kivaari trigger upgrade, and that would give you three more parts. 

Kivaari only offers trigger group tuning and not US-made parts.
https://www.kivaari.com/SKS%20Target%20Match.htm

[cvasqu03]

It's unclear if switching from one standard style monti carlo stock to another would trigger 922(r) or not.  We used to talk such things pretty regularly in the legal forum.  Our conclusion was that since you weren't changing the "configuration" it would not trigger 922(r).  However, YMMV and the only way to know for certain is to write the ATF.

Larry

I temporarily reinstalled the Monte Carlo stock onto the SKS-M rifle and began searching for replacement US-made parts. I already have a US-made short piston for the paratrooper gas tube, a Tapco magazine, and a Tapco handguard. I think it's a total of 5 pieces, but I want to keep the original wooden handguard. That's why I started looking for trigger group parts.

You could get a Kivaari trigger upgrade, and that would give you three more parts. 

Kivaari only offers trigger group tuning and not US-made parts.
https://www.kivaari.com/SKS%20Target%20Match.htm

Sorry, I must have been thinking of the Murray's guns parts.

[monaderio]

Sorry, I must have been thinking of the Murray's guns parts.[/quote]

On Murray's website, everything except for the trigger is currently out of stock.

[Greatguns]

If you contact Kivaari and ask him about US made parts, he used to have US made parts available for 922r compliance. Realistically though, if you are going from one OEM Chinese SKS stock to another OEM stock you shouldn't need to bother about 922r compliance. That is usually reserved for when you start modifying the rifle with aftermarket parts.

[monaderio]

If you contact Kivaari and ask him about US made parts, he used to have US made parts available for 922r compliance. Realistically though, if you are going from one OEM Chinese SKS stock to another OEM stock you shouldn't need to bother about 922r compliance. That is usually reserved for when you start modifying the rifle with aftermarket parts.

It sounds good.

[Greatguns]

Even given my last comment, you are still ruining the value and originality of the M by putting a D stock on it as it will then become just another non-matching SKS.

[LESchwartz]

Even given my last comment, you are still ruining the value and originality of the M by putting a D stock on it as it will then become just another non-matching SKS.

He did ask if in his original post if if would make it not "authentic".  Based on his other posts, I think he's in the habit of retaining the original parts for most of his projects.  If he's not, I would strongly recommend that he does as his would allow him to maximize his rifle's value should he (or his heirs) ever decide to sell.

But in the end:  His property, his choice.

Larry