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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2023, 05:57:50 PM »
Even given my last comment, you are still ruining the value and originality of the M by putting a D stock on it as it will then become just another non-matching SKS.

I had planned to sell my Monte Carlo stock on eBay, but I have changed my mind and decided to keep it. Thanks for your input.
If I decide to sell the rifle, I will install the Monta Carlo stock back, and the D stock is perfect for use in the shooting range.

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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2023, 06:04:36 PM »
Even given my last comment, you are still ruining the value and originality of the M by putting a D stock on it as it will then become just another non-matching SKS.

He did ask if in his original post if if would make it not "authentic".  Based on his other posts, I think he's in the habit of retaining the original parts for most of his projects.  If he's not, I would strongly recommend that he does as his would allow him to maximize his rifle's value should he (or his heirs) ever decide to sell.

But in the end:  His property, his choice.

Larry

I store all spare original parts in a secret vault. I never use aftermarket parts on my SKS rifles, except for the bullpup modification, which doesn't affect the original parts.

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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2023, 06:07:27 PM »
PS:  Every time I've pruned my collection, it's always better to sell any rifle in it's original condition and sell the accessories, etc. separately.  Maximizes my return that way.

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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2023, 06:09:25 PM »
PS:  Every time I've pruned my collection, it's always better to sell any rifle in it's original condition and sell the accessories, etc. separately.  Maximizes my return that way.

Larry

I agree with you.

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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2023, 12:59:49 PM »
I contacted ATF about the M and D stock swap via e-mail. I have to wait for the answer for up to 90 days  :(

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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2023, 04:35:48 PM »

....have a US-made short piston for the paratrooper gas tube.....

Unless it's an "S" Paratrooper gas tube are the same length, PAX
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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2023, 04:39:43 PM »

....have a US-made short piston for the paratrooper gas tube.....

Unless it's an "S" Paratrooper gas tube are the same length, PAX

8 3/4" https://polytechparts.com/new-usa-made-paratrooper-8-3-4-inch-stainless-steel-sks-gas-piston/

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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2023, 07:04:29 PM »
POLY tech site...."This fits the Para Trooper SKS with the shorter 9 Inch tubes.".
It should state the correct SKS rifle by model the piston was made for, SKSS.


All gas tubes & pistons are the same length EXCEPT for the "SKSS" PAX
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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2023, 07:27:54 PM »
POLY tech site...."This fits the Para Trooper SKS with the shorter 9 Inch tubes.".
It should state the correct SKS rifle by model the piston was made for, SKSS.


All gas tubes & pistons are the same length EXCEPT for the "SKSS" PAX
*****skss.html

If the piston does not fit my SKS-M, I will return it. It is not a big deal. I plan to collect at least 4-5 US-made items and keep the D-stock with the M rifle. I have a Tapco AK-47 magazine made in the US with a sear also made in the US, which counts as four parts.

SKSS
This rifle was used to test the operation and set up production of the shorter gas system used on the AK magazine rifles. This would include but is not limited to the Sporter and the M series of rifles produced from late 1992 and on.

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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2023, 07:53:22 PM »
After conducting research, I discovered that SKSS has the same specifications as SKS-M, except it cannot use AK magazines. Both rifles have a 16" barrel and the same shorter gas tubes.

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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2024, 01:50:07 PM »
Survivors won't let the Enemy site link post. There's a good write up on the SKSS there. PAX
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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2024, 10:11:15 AM »
Here is the reply from ATF:
Good morning,

As you may be aware the GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 922(r), prohibits the assembly of certain semiautomatic rifles and shotguns from imported parts.  The implementing regulations contained in 27 CFR § 478.39 include the stipulation that “no person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of certain imported parts if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under 18 U.S.C. § 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.”

The SKS-M is a factory-produced commercial SKS rifle that came factory-equipped with a Monte Carlo stock and accepts detachable AK-type magazines.  The ability to accept a magazine a magazine more than 10 rounds is a non-sporting feature and would make the rifle non-sporting and thus non-importable. 

The SKS-D is also a factory-produced commercial SKS rifle that came factory with traditional stock and accepts detachable AK-type magazines.  The ability to accept a magazine a magazine more than 10 rounds is a non-sporting feature and would make the rifle non-sporting and thus non-importable. 

These commercial SKS rifles were most likely either imported before 922r was signed into law, where they wouldn’t have been held to the sporting standard they are now, or imported after the GCA and are already 922r compliant.  Most likely the models mentioned were imported after 1993 and are already 922r compliant. If the SKS is already in compliance with 922r, switching out one factory's original imported stock for another would not violate 922r. 

Unfortunately, there are too many variables with the importation and configuration of the various commercial SKS rifles to give a definitive answer via email. 


Thank you,

Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division (FATD)
244 Needy Rd, Suite 1600
Martinsburg, WV 25405
Phone: 304-616-4300
Fax: 304-616-4301


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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2024, 12:17:27 PM »
At least they got back to you in a timely fashion. Do what you must but keep the original parts at hand. In Kali you can't even possess a detachable mag SKS. PAX
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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2024, 01:03:00 PM »
monaderio,

Go ahead and post their reply over in the legal forum.

Larry
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Re: SKS-M Monte Carlo stock vs SKS-D stock
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2024, 01:10:12 PM »
monaderio,

Go ahead and post their reply over in the legal forum.

Larry

I will.