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Chinese Scope Rails
« on: June 21, 2006, 06:35:09 PM »
Where can I get a scope mount for the scope rail on my Chinese SKS Carbine?

There are a number of differing styles of scope rail used on Chinese SKS Carbines. Here are what appear to be the three most common:

  • The so-called “Cowboy Companion” scope mount fits a variety of Chinese variants. (click here for a close up of the rail.) Some SKS books also call it a “Type 89 telescopic sight” or “BZM-1”. The mount has integral rings for a 1” scope, with the tube is positioned about ¾” above the receiver cover. This mount is riveted near the rear of the receiver. Intentions were probably to install these rails on all their commercial firearms. However, when importation of firearms from China ceased, availability dried up. Thus, there are many more scope rails then there are mounts.

    There are no known sources for new “Cowboy Companion” mounts. Used ones are generally very hard to come by, since there is no reason to sell the mount separate from a rifle.

  • “Mosin Nagant-style” scope mount is also seen on Chinese variants. (Click here for a photo, and click here for a close up of the rail.) This is the same style mount as the one used one the Russian Mosin-Nagant M91/30 sniper rifle featured in the movie Enemy at the Gates (for more information, see Mosin-Nagant M91/30 Sniper web page or the SurplusRifle.com web site). The mount has integral rings for a 1” scope (the tube is positioned about ¾” above the receiver cover), and allows for both windage and elevation adjustments. This mount is normally positioned 1.2” from the rear of the receiver and attached using screws. This positions even compact scopes so they will prevent the rifle from being loaded via stripper clips. On new installations, the rail can be positioned to allow for the use of stripper clips.

    There are several sources for this mount.

  • AK-Style. Several sources advertise AK-style mounting rails for use on SKS rifles. These often find there way onto SKS Carbines, though it seems that they were not installed at the factory. There are numerous vendors for this type of mount, among them are: Kalinka Optics Warehouse and Freedom Optics.

    There are several things to keep in mind when installing this type of rail:

    First, the mount fits over the rail, hence you should order a rail that is “thick” enough to clear the stock. Some vendors offer a “thick / narrow” rail. Not only is this rail thick enough for the mount will clear the stock, but is “narrow” enough to prevent having to cut the stock.

    Second, be advised that even the lowest profile AK-style mounts may position the scope excessively high on an SKS Carbine. However, Kalinka Optics Warehouse offers a POSP/PSO Low Profile SKS/SVD Version Side Mount to Weaver Rail, which which appears much lower than other mounts. (Click here for a photo.)

    Finally, be advised that there are many variations of these rails. For example, I came across an odd “Yugoslavian Sniper” variation while looking at on-line auctions — This variation seems perfect for SKS Carbines, since it allows for the use of standard POSP scopes. (Click here for a photo.) These are also known as MOLOT mounts. These are made of solid steel and are available for purchase from Kalinka OpticsNOTE: I have not personalty tried this mount, but it appears to be the perfect rail for mounting AK optics to your SKS, since it mounts the optic at the correct height and do not require the stock to be modified.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2007, 02:23:16 PM by LESchwartz »
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2006, 06:35:42 PM »
Where can I get a scope mount for my “Mosin Nagant-style” scope rail?

“Mosin Nagant-style” scope mount is also seen on Chinese variants. (Click here for a photo, and click here for a close up of the rail.) This is the same style mount as the one used one the Russian Mosin-Nagant M91/30 sniper rifle featured in the movie Enemy at the Gates (for more information, see Mosin-Nagant M91/30 Sniper web page on the SurplusRifle.com web site). The mount has integral rings for a 1” scope (the tube is positioned about ¾” above the receiver cover), and allows for both windage and elevation adjustments. This mount is normally positioned 1.2” from the rear of the receiver and attached using screws. This positions even compact scopes so they will prevent the rifle from being loaded via stripper clips. On new installations, the rail can be positioned to to allow for the use of stripper clips.

There are several sources for this mount:

  • Federal Arms Company (aka FAC – now defunct) had an AK mount for only $19.99. The mounting rail is unusable on the SKS. (Click here for a photo.)  However, the mount itself is only ¼” taller than the original “Mosin Nagant-style” mount (the tube ends up about 1” above the receiver cover). In addition, the ring spacing is a close match as well, with the front ring located about ¼” forward of the “Mosin Nagant-style”. Unfortunately, this extra distance means that even when installed at the very rear of the receiver and even when sporting a compact scope, it interferes with the use of stripper clips.

    If you already have the base on your SKS Carbine, this mount is the closest match to the original.

  • Go to Polytech Parts web site and search for “mount” — again this mount is only $19.99! (Click here for a photo.) This mount uses a mounting rail that is identical to the “Mosin Nagant-style”. However, it positions the scope about ¾” higher (the scope tube ends up about 1½” above the receiver cover). Like the FAC mount, the front ring is located about ¼” forward. When using a compact scope and attaching the base to the extreme rear of the receiver, you can modify the mount to allow for the use of stripper clips. (Click here for a photo.)

    This mount is not recommended unless you’re sure you can tolerate the extra height.

  • Inter Ordnance also was a mount available which will fit the “Mosin Nagant-style” base. (Click here for a photo.) However, rather than built in rings, this mount has a Weaver-style rail positioned ½” above the receiver cover. The rail is positioned such that, a compact scope will allow for the use of stripper clips. The rail is positioned such that when mounted to the extreme rear of the receiver, a compact scope will allow for the use of stripper clips. (Click here for a photo.)

    If you can tolerate the price of $69.99, this mount is the clear choice for flexibility in positioning the scope.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2006, 06:36:01 PM »
How do I attach a “Mosin Nagant-style” scope rail to a rifle that doesn’t already have one?

You'll note that these mounts are only held on by two screws.  Make sure you're using hardened screws, and finer threads are better.  On one of my SKSs I had the holes strip out (I didn't drill or tap that one).  So you'll want to give special consideration to getting the tightest screw fitment you can.

First, you’ll need a few tools — The steel in the SKS receiver is very hard, so you’ll need some very good drill bits. (I recommend carbide for this job.). You'll also need some “gun taps”, which are made for work in hardened steel. (I ordered “EM-MS Straight Flute Mold Hand Taps” made by Greenfield from MSCDirect.com — the 8x32 size is part number: 00353847. They were rated for use in the hardest steels — even harder steels than the “gun taps” sold on their site). Use numbered drill bits as they are more precise and allow for a higher thread percentage.  A small drill press is also recommended, as is a tapping jig.  All this ensures the best fitment possible for the screws.

Here’s how I did it:
  • Field strip the rifle.
  • Position the rail on the receiver and clamp it in place — Align the top of the rail with the top of the receiver. This is the easiest way to position the rail since you can use a straight edge to get it perfectly placed. I align to the back rail to the rear of the receiver, but you can position yours in the original position if you wish.
  • Mark the hole position — I found it easiest to use a drill bit which is just slightly smaller than the mounting holes in the rail and use it to drill into the receiver about 1/64”. Be careful not to drill to far…you’re just trying to mark the receiver.
  • Remove the clamp and rail, and drill through the receiver wall with the proper bit for your tap.
  • Tap the holes — take it slow, use plenty of cutting oil, and let the tap do the work. Whatever you do, don’t force it. Taps break easily and broken taps are a hassle to remove. It may also be necessary to de-burr the holes on the inside of the receiver once your finished.  Note:  If you are hand tapping, you will need to be very carefull ensure the tap is square to the receiver.
  • Test mount the rail — It’s likely that the screws which came with the rail are too long. Check to make sure that the screws do not protrude through the receiver wall and into the mechanism if the rifle. Screws can be shortened using one of those cheap electrical pliers with the built in screw cutter. Check to make sure the bolt slides cleanly past the screws.
  • Permanently mount the rail. Use “red loctite” on the screws. Double check to make sure the bolt still slides cleanly past the screws.
  • Trim the stock to fit the rail — Trim a little at a time until the stock is fitted. I traced the rail pattern onto the stock before I field stripped the rifle, and cut "inside of the line” to quickly get stock “roughed in”. Even then, I rushed it and didn’t get it perfect (I circled that area in the my photos).

  • Reassemble the rifle.

Note: This procedure worked great for me. However, your results may vary — Don’t blame me if something goes wrong.

Note: If your holes do strip out, you can always drill and tap for the next size screws.  In this case you may need to turn down the screw heads on a lathe and also enlarge the through holes on the rail.
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2006, 06:39:40 PM »
How do I attach an AK rail to my SKS?

See the manual at Kalinka Optics Wherehouse web site.
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Re: Chinese Scope Rails
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2014, 05:32:44 PM »
Here are some updated sources for the “Mosin Nagant-style” mounts:

Similar to the Federal Arms Company (aka FAC – now defunct):
 - https://www.accumounts.com/russian-mosin.html.


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Re: Chinese Scope Rails
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2024, 06:57:36 PM »
Another source, this one with 1" rings.  As always, your mileage may vary:  https://www.redstarmountain.com/shopping/index.php?rt=product/product&path=71&product_id=140

Larry

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