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"dragnet" confiscations?
« on: March 26, 2007, 05:52:32 PM »
I've been reading up a lot on the new AWB and what it means to me, as the owner of guns which are going to be named "illegal assault weapons" if* this bill passes. I've seen the term "dragnet confiscation" a few times, but I'm not exactly sure what it means in this context.. I've also heard that there will be no grandfather clause, and that there will be a grandfather clause, so I'm a little worried about if someday I will have the ATF knocking at my door even though the weapons were legally purchased well before the ban.

Can anyone clear this up for me? Basically I'm wondering about "dragnet" confiscations, and what it means to us, the lawful gunowners of America.

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Re: "dragnet" confiscations?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2007, 01:28:03 AM »
If a new "assault weapons ban" does not contain a "grandfather clause", then a reasonable conclusion is that these firearms will need tobe registered (like the Kali AWB, or Federal NFA rules) or restricted (turn 'um in -- aka, "dragnet confiscation") . . .

I would imaging that there would be hell to pay in either case . . .

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Re: "dragnet" confiscations?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2007, 04:21:11 PM »
If this bill passes, I think it will be the beginning of the end. I just hope enough of us get the word before they get to our nieghborhood. I WILL NOT be turning my weapons over to the gov't, they did not buy them, they are just trying to steal them.
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Re: "dragnet" confiscations?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2007, 04:57:46 PM »
It's already started at my kids school, listening to soccer Moms and Dads praise the merits of the new ban,and how much of an improvement over the old ban the new one is, Some have even said it's 'justifiable' for the law to go into peoples homes and take guns.So i just said it's 'justifiable' that the law goes into known 'drunk drivers' homes and vehicles to confiscate all the booze and beer that can be found? I mean really...more people are killed or maimed by drunk drivers every year,than people are accidently killed or maimed by guns.The pisser for me is, I have a better chance of being hit or killed by a drunk than he/she does,than me accidently shooting them, wheres the logic?, i dunno they just sort of look at ya with a dumb bewildered look on their faces,

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2007, 08:05:48 PM »
They know the stats on drunk drivers. Lets not kid ourselves, the sole purpose for the new awb is to disarm the public. Plain and simple. How do you boil a frog? Very slowly...
First they try a new ban to get a feel for public outcry.
Then they institute a less harsh ban that requires registration of all pre ban weapons.
Then a year or two goes by and they institute a buyback program where they pay you 100 dollars for your gun.
After that, all those that registered that did not do buyback will get a knock on the door followed by flashbangs and ATF officers.

Atleast Iraqi's are allowed to have one full auto ak per household.
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Re: "dragnet" confiscations?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2007, 08:55:29 PM »
   Here in Ca. I expect Mexican Federal police to search my home for guns from my Yankee past (Within 30 years) Even though im closer to Oregon than to Sacremento !
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Re: "dragnet" confiscations?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2007, 09:21:19 PM »
Why do you say you expect mexican feds to search your home? :?
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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2007, 09:34:31 PM »
 Because Ca. AZ. NM. and most of Texas will be Mexican States or Protectorates or Border/Frontier zones of the North American Union and future Training of Law Enforcement will include Diversifiying Efforts including inter-agency inclusion of regional powers!     
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Re: "dragnet" confiscations?
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2007, 09:41:40 PM »
What are you hell are smoking? :lol:
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2007, 09:47:48 PM »
What are you hell are smoking? :lol:
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Re: "dragnet" confiscations?
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2007, 09:57:20 PM »
Hey Spike Chime in here (Is this the Direction you wnted this thread to procede in?) :lol:
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Re: "dragnet" confiscations?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2007, 10:04:26 PM »
haha, please please no tinfoil hat discussion here  :lol: I appreciate your concern though  :geek: Basically I was asking of my guns could be confiscated even if they were legally purchased before the ban went into effect, and I got my answer, thank you SKS survivors  8)

but hey, if you want to dicuss this then start a post in the Tinfoil Hat section and I'd be more than happy to check it out =)

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Re: "dragnet" confiscations?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2007, 12:23:54 PM »
what i dont know still,is how are alphabet guys going to know whether or not i've evn purchased a gun? aside from gun shop purchases? i know that there are folks that bought guns thru private sales decades ago, Never even set foot in a gunshop. Unless the alphabet guys just decide to accuse EVERYONE of owning guns when they want to confiscate the guns?

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Re: "dragnet" confiscations?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2007, 12:45:50 PM »
what i dont know still,is how are alphabet guys going to know whether or not i've evn purchased a gun? aside from gun shop purchases? i know that there are folks that bought guns thru private sales decades ago, Never even set foot in a gunshop. Unless the alphabet guys just decide to accuse EVERYONE of owning guns when they want to confiscate the guns?

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Re: "dragnet" confiscations?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2007, 03:13:06 PM »
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I've also heard that there will be no grandfather clause, and that there will be a grandfather clause
There is a grandfather clause in the proposed legislation.  It's in section 4.  Try actually READING the legislation instead of just going by "what you hear".

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SEC. 4. GRANDFATHER PROVISION.
Section 922(v)(2) of title 18, United States Code, as
added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended—
(1) by inserting ‘‘(A)’’ after ‘‘(2)’’; and
(2) by adding after and below the end the following:
‘‘(B) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm
the possession or transfer of which would (but for this sub
paragraph) be unlawful by reason of this subsection, and
which is otherwise lawfully possessed on the date of the
enactment of this subparagraph.’’.

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