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1989 Import Ban Question
« on: December 03, 2008, 10:22:43 PM »
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The 1989 Import Ban, enacted by President George H. W. Bush, bans from importation all semi-automatic rifles with a folding or telescoping stock, separate pistol grip, bipod, ability to accept a bayonet, grenade launcher, night sights, or flash suppressor.

If it's still percieved that you cannot add a bayonet onto a post 1989 SKS, then how can you legally add a folding/telescopic stock, bipod, or a pistol grip, such as the Tapco Fuse system?  This ban is still alive and was strengthened in 2005.

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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2008, 10:32:57 PM »
By changing a certain number of listed parts the rifle is no longer considered an imported weapon, it's legally considered US made (hence compliance parts)

These types of restrictions on US made weapons sunsetted with the '94 AWB

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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2008, 10:37:15 PM »
So if I can make it 922r compliant, I can put a bayonet on it, becasue it's a US made gun now.

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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2008, 10:42:37 PM »
Yes- 922(r) compliant = US made rifle (legally)

High cap detachable mags, bayonet, folding/collapsable stock, pistol grip and the other "evil" stuff is OK

(This pertains to Federal law- some states have their restrictions)
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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2008, 10:57:45 PM »
I'm not sure where your quote came from but as I understand it once a rifle is a C&R those restrictions don't apply.  Clearly SKS rifles have been imported since 1989. 


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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2008, 11:08:09 PM »
Basically he's talking about the ban that took the bayonets of the Chinese, not sure about the direct quote- since the bayo was the only "restricted feature" removing them allowed importation of Chinese SKSs as semi auto sporters until the '94 Clinton- China ban

The Russians, Romanians, Albanians, and Yugos were all imported and are specifically listed as C&Rs, thus exempt.

(They were imported as curios and/or relics- supposedly for their value as a collectible rather than as a weapon)
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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2008, 11:22:41 PM »
Rhanks guys!

Mine is a Norinco Sporter, thus never to be C&R.  I got the quote from wikipedia, on an article about an HK firearm.

I only came about this question, because on another shooting forum, I'm seeing chainsaw bayos, bayos on shotguns, I wouldn't be surprised to see a bayo on a flashlihgt now.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2008, 11:35:14 PM by gustav129 »

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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2008, 12:17:49 AM »
Check the "Import Ban" section of the SKS FAQ in my sig.

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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2008, 07:25:15 PM »
Ok, I read through LES' link, and now I'm even more confused.  According to his link, all the Tapco stuff is still illegal, like detachable (or high capacity) mags and folding and collapsable stocks.

It sounds like it's illegal to modify my sks due to the 1989 Import ban, but also illegal to keep it stock due to 922(r).

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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2008, 10:36:49 PM »
Ok, I read through LES' link, and now I'm even more confused.  According to his link, all the Tapco stuff is still illegal, like detachable (or high capacity) mags and folding and collapsable stocks.

It sounds like it's illegal to modify my sks due to the 1989 Import ban, but also illegal to keep it stock due to 922(r).

Quote from: “10-or-less” Questions: Overview:
Any rifle with ten-or-less imported parts is not subject to the provisions of Title 18 USC § 922(r). While there may be dozens of parts in any particular rifle, ATF has defined a list of twenty specific parts that are “counted”. Note that the total number of “counted parts” is not important, just the number of those counted parts that are imported. So often swapping just a few imported parts for US-made ones frees a rifle from the onerous provisions of Title 18 USC § 922(r).

Scattered around the 1998 Import ban section are a bunch of link to the “10-or-less” section.  You choices are basically:  Leave it the way you bought it (which is hopefully grandfathered), C&R configuration (for those rifles that qualify), remove the restricted features (neutered), or the “10-or-less” game.  The “10-or-less” game refers to swapping perfectly good imported parts for US-made ones.  The purpose of which is to change you imported rifle into a US-made one.

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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2008, 12:37:10 AM »
Ok, my SKS is a Norinco "Sporter", so I doubt it was grandfathered, it is neutered though. It will never get C&R becasue it's chinese.

What I would like to do is meet the "10 or less" game and to bubba it with the Tapco Fuse System, replace the mag, and put a bipod,  get a replacement Front sight block to get the bayo lug back and have the bayo affixed in the outward position permanently.

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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2008, 12:43:06 AM »
Tapco system replaces you all the parts you'll need:  Stock, handguard, detachable mag (follower & body).  14 - 4 = 10!

No need to fix the bayo though after replacing the FSB.

YMMV due to state and local considerations.

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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2008, 12:48:32 AM »
Permanently fixed bayo sounds pretty awkward- when you've got the threaded lug it's pretty easy to take on and off, it can also be modified to be detachable
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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2008, 04:51:24 PM »
Oh, A threaded lug?  I thought there was a rivet.  Being able to detach the bayo sounds good to me.

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Re: 1989 Import Ban Question
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2008, 04:52:58 PM »
The lugs were made both ways, threaded for a screw is more common
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