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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2012, 09:46:43 PM »
Only thing you have to remember is:
Count the items that your rifle has that are on the atf list (14 Chinese, 15 yugo).
Then you replace 4 (or 5 with a yugo).
Adding all the USA made parts in the world means nothing,
it's bringing the number of foreign part that are on your rifle down to 10 or Less.
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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2012, 05:56:10 AM »
 And the stock, no matter how many US parts it comes in, counts as 1 PART.

 The magazine counts as 2 PARTS.

 A lot of the other add -on stuff, like scope mounts, bipods, etc, DOES NOT COUNT AT ALL.

 Go to the list in the stickies section of Legal Issues here and look at the 14 part list.

 Those are the ONLY parts that count, and they only count as 1 part each.
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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2012, 09:36:21 AM »
This post helps but, I got the Tapco T6 stock for my Yugo, and the package says that it counts as three 922r compliant parts. I'm assuming the stock (1), the upper handgaurd (2), and the pistol grip (3). Is this correct?  If so the detachable magazine would  count as two and make it legal.  Right?
  TAPCO is wrong.  I have been trying to explain to them that they are misleading people all over the country but their marketing people are being very obtuse. 


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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2012, 11:20:59 AM »
I have a Yugo SKS 59/66A1 If i replace the Mag to a tapco 20rd detachable and stock to a Chaote Dragunov would i be leagal? from what i uderstand the sks is 14 parts -2 for the mag and -1 for the stock leaving me with 11 from what i understand this number needs to be 10 or lower?

Here's the parts count for a Yugo, with non-replaceable parts and replaceable USA-made options:

1.   Receiver.
2.   Barrel.
3.   Muzzle attachment. (Grenade Launcher)
4.   Bolt.
5.   Bolt carrier.
6.   Gas piston.
7.   Trigger housing.
8.   Trigger.
9.   Hammer.
10.   Sear.
11.   Disconnector.
12.  Stock.
13.   Forearm/handguard.
14.   Magazine body.
15.   Follower.

"Mix & match" any of the above to get the "less than 10 count".
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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2012, 12:12:15 PM »
This post helps but, I got the Tapco T6 stock for my Yugo, and the package says that it counts as three 922r compliant parts. I'm assuming the stock (1), the upper handgaurd (2), and the pistol grip (3). Is this correct?  If so the detachable magazine would  count as two and make it legal.  Right?
  TAPCO is wrong.  I have been trying to explain to them that they are misleading people all over the country but their marketing people are being very obtuse.
So what you are saying is that they may be intentionally misleading people.  So it actually counts as two, stock plus handgaurd, with tapco magazines up to four U.S. made parts.  So I need one more for my Yugo SKS.  Thanks for clearing things up.  I thought that was right but then I saw how Tapco marketed the T6 stock, and figured if they were wrong the ATF would have already set them straight.  Thanks again. :salute: :notworthy:
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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2012, 12:52:46 PM »
Yup, 1 more part. The easiest thing to replace is the gas piston with a Tapco USA made one. I was just looking around and it appears that lots of places are out of stock and at least two of them said it was discontinued by the manufacturer. In fact, I could not find any available but the guys here know more than me and may know where to get one. There are other parts like the trigger, hammer, sear that can be changed but they require more work than the gas piston which is just an easy switcheroo.  Just make sure whatever you get has USA or Made in America, something like that stamped on it. You don't want to rely on saving receipts and/or packaging as proof for the BATFE.
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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2012, 01:08:31 PM »
This post helps but, I got the Tapco T6 stock for my Yugo, and the package says that it counts as three 922r compliant parts. I'm assuming the stock (1), the upper handgaurd (2), and the pistol grip (3). Is this correct?  If so the detachable magazine would  count as two and make it legal.  Right?
  TAPCO is wrong.  I have been trying to explain to them that they are misleading people all over the country but their marketing people are being very obtuse.
So what you are saying is that they may be intentionally misleading people.  So it actually counts as two, stock plus handgaurd, with tapco magazines up to four U.S. made parts.

I wouldn't go so far as to say they were intentionally misleading people, after all it does count as three US-made 922(r) parts . . . what they're not making obvious is that it only removes two imported parts.  So it's plus three in the mostly meaningless "US-made parts" column, but only minus two in the all important "imported parts" column.

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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2012, 01:10:48 PM »
So I need one more for my Yugo SKS.

Correct.  I would recommend the gas piston, but you could always replace the GL with a US-made muzzle brake.

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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2012, 02:20:49 PM »
I wouldn't go so far as to say they were intentionally misleading people, after all it does count as three US-made 922(r) parts . . . what they're not making obvious is that it only removes two imported parts.  So it's plus three in the mostly meaningless "US-made parts" column, but only minus two in the all important "imported parts" column.

Larry

I disagree.  It doesn't count as three US-made 922(r) parts ON AN SKS, which is what they are saying.  If the imported rifle does not contain a certain part then an domestic part is NOT a 922(r) part, it's simply a US made part.  If a US made scope is mounted on an SKS would it be considered a 922(r) part?  I don't think ANYONE would consider that the scope has anything at all to do with 922(r).  Exactly the same thing is applicable to a pistol grip or a US Made iron sight or a magazine with a floor plate.

I don't think what they are doing is "intentional" but it's certainly misleading and their Marketing Department hasn't changed what they are saying.


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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2012, 02:47:22 PM »
Im sure they are fully aware of what they are doing. It is misleading and im sure they know that, for them to market it as 3 parts just isnt right. Im sure they arent dumb people and are fully aware it only takes away 2 imported parts they should at least put that in there too

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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2012, 02:55:34 PM »
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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2012, 03:28:01 PM »
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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2012, 03:42:48 PM »
So its a catch 22, may count as three on some firearms, just not the SKS.  This stock being packaged for the SKS only would say that it is intentionally misleading.  Maybe not illegal but definitely not good business practice. IMHO
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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2012, 03:46:01 PM »
I have a Yugo SKS 59/66A1 If i replace the Mag to a tapco 20rd detachable and stock to a Chaote Dragunov would i be leagal? from what i uderstand the sks is 14 parts -2 for the mag and -1 for the stock leaving me with 11 from what i understand this number needs to be 10 or lower?

Here's the parts count for a Yugo, with non-replaceable parts and replaceable USA-made options:

1.   Receiver.
2.   Barrel.
3.   Muzzle attachment. (Grenade Launcher)
4.   Bolt.
5.   Bolt carrier.
6.   Gas piston.
7.   Trigger housing.
8.   Trigger.
9.   Hammer.
10.   Sear.
11.   Disconnector.
12.  Stock.
13.   Forearm/handguard.
14.   Magazine body.
15.   Follower.

"Mix & match" any of the above to get the "less than 10 count".
I'll have to do some research and edit this list. Seems the e-mail dope I got on USA Made FCG's is incorrect.
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Re: (A hair confused) Yugo SKS mod
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2012, 05:50:45 PM »
Here's the parts count for a Yugo, with non-replaceable parts and replaceable USA-made options:

1.   Receiver.
2.   Barrel.
3.   Muzzle attachment. (Grenade Launcher)
4.   Bolt.
5.   Bolt carrier.
6.   Gas piston.
7.   Trigger housing.
8.   Trigger.
9.   Hammer.
10.   Sear.
11.   Disconnector.
12.  Stock.
13.   Forearm/handguard.
14.   Magazine body.
15.   Follower.

"Mix & match" any of the above to get the "less than 10 count".

A question about the non-replaceable parts.  I have searched and read most of the 922r posts but can't remember seeing that specified.  If you could give a citation I would appreciate it.

Barring a legal prohibition, I would have expected a USA made barrel would count as a replacement part.  That is a fairly easy change for any competent gunsmith and entirely feasible (even if not practical for most users).

I would suspect there are no USA made bolts, but also figured one would count if one were available.  I realize they are numbered, but they don't need to match the receiver number by law.

Obviously, the receiver is not replaceable since it is what the law determines to be "the real rifle".

Thanks for any insight you can offer on this.