Mass Shooting At Catholic School in Minneapolis

[LESchwartz]

Heh, so the answer is a "minority report"?  I will always fall on the side of liberty, just because scammers and criminals do it, maybe not the brightest idea to have govt follow suit.

I think the idea was that is the tech companies already spend so much time and effort, maybe they could look for "warning signs" too.  I have to admit, I can barely tolerate all the existing online tracking that already goes on -- not to mention all the resulting spams and scams.  Given the many ways such a thing could go sideways, I doubt we would ever see a circumstance where it wouldn't be abused.  For example: AI hallucinates (or doesn't understand a joke), AI automatically reports you to your local PD, local PD automatically obtains "red flag", and "newfangled red flags" (post special session) are permanent . . .

Larry

[Onepoint]

It's not even a slippery slope argument, red flag laws have been abused as well as ineffective to the stated goal already.

[JimmyJamesKY]

We put way too much faith in AI as it is.  AI can't do my job (yet) but the pharmacy we collaborate with put AI in charge, and we ended up having to drop them as our supplier before someone got seriously hurt. 

The difference between 1 pill every 5 days and 5 pills every 1 day is pretty extreme.  Also, it's .gov regulation that our paperwork matches the prescription verbatim, as well as the med label from the pharmacy.  We have been "flagged" by state inspectors for having a medication administration record say "1 pill by mouth every day" when the prescription said "1 pill by mouth each day".   Means the same thing, but is not an exact match.  Retrain everyone, document that training, put a system in place for redundant double checking, etc to fix it.

The pharmacy put AI in charge.  Prescription would say "Take 1 tablet by mouth daily".  AI would print take "Take 1 tablet every morning at 7am with food."   WAAY different.  Pointed that out.  They said "hey, the computer decides whats best. We can't change it."  Apparently it has an algorithm to determine the perfect way to take that medication for optimal efficacy.  Wonderful.  Except we can't use it.  They made so many errors, we had to drop them after partnering for 20+ years because the computer in charge was making errors to the point of becoming a danger to our program participants, so we dropped them.

AI can find the optimal time for medication, but can't figure out how to duplicate a phrase exactly.  They fired all their senior pharmacists BEFORE making sure the new system worked, and when is went sideways, had a bunch of kids trying to fix it.

Screw AI.  It's the new OUIJA board, and equally as trustworthy.

[LESchwartz]

This:

[LESchwartz]

Here's another one from Washington state:  https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/09/us/school-shooter-ideations-washington-state.

While it's great that the person was stopped, there are a lot of questions:

1) Who is the "internet watch group that reports threatening online posts"?

2) Where were the parents while this was building?

3) Is this real, or is the local PD just wanting to look good at the expense of a young person's life?

Larry

[Onepoint]

Well lets just start from some basic observation, how does a 13 year old obtain 23 weapons without knowledge and/or consent of some adult associated to him. They don't, 3D printed or not.

And yes, who the hell is this "internet watch group" self appointed to spy on people and judge them dangerous?  Who else have they flagged?

"The boy has not been enrolled in school since 2021 when he was registered with the Franklin Pierce School District in Tacoma, the sheriff?s office said."
So much to unpack here.

[LESchwartz]

And yes, who the hell is this "internet watch group" self appointed to spy on people and judge them dangerous?  Who else have they flagged?

I would rather that it be real people and not some AI subject to hallucinations.  Also, posting on the Internet and social media is not "private".  Hence, I'm not certain it can be called "spying".

Still, these folks could be nothing more that a group of internet trolls looking to ruin people's lives -- this time they seem to have got lucky and happened to stop someone planning a legitimate attack.

Larry

[Onepoint]

Yes, and yet, a broken clock analogy isn't exactly an endorsement of approval.

[LESchwartz]

They are claiming that ERPOs cannot be initiated by medical personnel in Minnesota:  https://www.mprnews.org/story/2025/09/11/in-annunciation-shooting-robin-westman-didnt-trip-alarms-on-new-red-flag-laws.

While technically true, it's misleading.  Mental health professionals in Minnesota cannot directly file an ERPO petition. However, if they determine a client poses a significant risk, they are required to communicate that threat to the county sheriff and recommend whether the client should possess firearms.  The County Sheriff can petition for an ERPO.

Sounds like someone dropped the ball here . . . especially the obviously serious mental health state.

Dude also worked in a cannabis dispensary.  Hard to imagine he wasn't sampling the merchandise.  Probably lied on his 4473.

Failure on so many levels, yet they want more restrictions on me . . .

Larry