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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2009, 04:46:08 PM »
Guys, you can keep asking questions and if all of them are answered anyone would be able to figure out how to make one of these.  It took 18 months to complete the prototypes and a LOT of work.  The inventor is, obviously, going to hold much close to the vest.  I will answer a few questions and that's it.

1.  The average SKS owner will be able to install it.
2.  Two holes, similar to the ones in the "M" and "D" models must be drilled in the stock.
3.  The magazine mod is extremely easy and can be done with hand tools.
4.  AK magazines are wider than the SKS receiver.  To work with AK magazines ANY mod would require modifications to the receiver.  NOT a good idea.

That's all the information that I can release to you.  The only other thing I can tell you is that I have see it and it appears that it will be 100% reliable and if made from aluminum will last the life of the rifle.

Incidentally, if you don't want to modify your stock at all, and some of us don't, you could easily get one of the "cheapo" stocks and make it your 922r compliant system. 
Thanks G man. I would put out $40 maybe $50 for something like that. I have a BUBBA I'm working on and that would be a cool extra mod for it..
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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2009, 04:49:39 PM »
I have only one thing against the duckbills, they don't play well in a range bag

If I could have mags without the duckbill that stack easily in the range bag and don't hang up on everything and anything, I'd be a happy man.
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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2009, 04:51:57 PM »
I for one, can appreciate the "inventor's" intentional vagueness as I am currently working on products (not SKS related) also. 
I would be interested but here's where I think the "inventor" needs to take this.  The inventor needs to offer a package so that it comes with this device and two or three modified magazines, and then maybe offer a guarantee on the operation of his package.  I find it a big turn off that I have to buy something, modify my rifle, and THEN modify the magazines too!  Now if I don't do the modification correctly, I've wasted a magazine.  However, if I have a brand new one that I can copy once I'm happy with the function of the package, I could then decide if I wanted to buy more magazines to modify.
Having said all that, I will now say that I would probably be willing to pay ~$80 for "the device" and a couple modified mags.
If that sounds too cheap to your inventor, then so be it, but I own a 'D' and know how hard/easy it would be to make such a thing. 

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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2009, 05:08:55 PM »
I for one, can appreciate the "inventor's" intentional vagueness as I am currently working on products (not SKS related) also. 
I would be interested but here's where I think the "inventor" needs to take this.  The inventor needs to offer a package so that it comes with this device and two or three modified magazines, and then maybe offer a guarantee on the operation of his package.  I find it a big turn off that I have to buy something, modify my rifle, and THEN modify the magazines too!  Now if I don't do the modification correctly, I've wasted a magazine.  However, if I have a brand new one that I can copy once I'm happy with the function of the package, I could then decide if I wanted to buy more magazines to modify.
Having said all that, I will now say that I would probably be willing to pay ~$80 for "the device" and a couple modified mags.
If that sounds too cheap to your inventor, then so be it, but I own a 'D' and know how hard/easy it would be to make such a thing. 

Interesting thought CD, the adapter and a mag. But that would just run the price up even more. Also, the M & D models mag wells are very different receivers from an "standard" SKS, I think. They don't use the same type mag either. I'm not sure that is a valid comparison for this mod. It looks like the mag mod is a really simple cut off the DB deal and the adapter seems straight forward also. Marcus
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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2009, 05:10:26 PM »
The duck bill being the ONLY thing i dislike about the sks i would happly drop 40-50$  Think he'll sell plans if theres not enough demand for production?
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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2009, 05:15:34 PM »
After some good reviews, I would pay somewhere in the neighborhood of for Aluminum. Composite... much less.

If these go into production, when would we be looking at?

this is the 1st mod that has me willing to bubba.
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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2009, 05:18:04 PM »
The other concern is once the price gets too high the DC Engineering setup starts to look attractive (and might even work with a modified Tapco mag)
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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2009, 05:20:45 PM »
I'm working on something like this. I have a DC 37rd mag and the parts to work in a Yugo SKS. I bought some Tapco AK-47 mags, Tapco SKS mags, and some steel AK-47 and steel SKS mags. I have some good ideas on making these mags fit pretty good. When I get the BUGS worked out, you guys can check out my site on www.reloaderz.com for my pictures.
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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2009, 05:39:09 PM »
If it turns out that theirs a market for this item then I'm pretty sure that Tapco would follow suit with a mag to compliment.

First off, I like the Tapco mags "except" for the duck bill so anything to eliminate this and still provide 100% reliability is definitely worth my money.

Yeah, I would pay $50.00

Now, a question.

Will the Billit aluminum be touching any part of the steel on the bottom of the receiver?
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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2009, 05:44:02 PM »

Working in a machine shop since '72 and the back round with the SKS I have I can pretty much put the divice in a "how it's done" state of mind.

Without going into detail here is what concerns me more for the do-it-yourselfer then one acclimated with machine shop tools.


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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2009, 05:50:25 PM »
The actual installation of the device really isn't that difficult.  The DEVELOPMENT was over 18 months and different variations were tried.  The inventor showed me three distinctly different models.  Each was made differently and the holes in the stock were different for each.  I think that the installation instructions can be made very, very clear so it does work the first time.

As for the galvanic corrosion problem, I believe that the only contact with the steel in the rifle is with the crossbolt.  You could either use ECK ( http://www.vannay.com/ ) or just wrap some electrical tape around the crossbolt.


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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2009, 05:55:01 PM »
If it was made of cnc billet aluminum, and utilized non duckbill tapco caliber quality magazines I would be interested. I have tried the Dc engineering "clip" system(second hand), and I was not impressed. The lockup was okay, but the front lip was easily deformed on the steel "clip". Workout this design, and then develop a sks version of the 100 round beta mag. :lol:
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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2009, 06:02:42 PM »
I wouldn't cut up perfectly good 100% functioning mags to adapt them to fit one rifle with the mod just to remove the duckbill.  I have 3 bubbas, so if I were to invest in something like this I would want it in all 3 rifles not just 1 (mag computability issue).  So for me the cost would have to be $15-$20 and even then I don't think I'd buy because the benefit does not outweigh the negatives for me and to buy 3 it would still cost me over $60.  Cobray also tried to market proprietary (AK type) mags with an adapter and failed miserably.  Someone just sold 4 cobrays with 2 adapters for $15 here recently, the downside to the Cobrays is you have to drill and tap the bottom of the receiver to install their adapter.

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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2009, 06:06:54 PM »
Would not be Legal on most if not all SKS rifles in California.

I know, I know...Who cares right? California is about 20% of the gun buying market, and the SKS is very popular here because it is Cali Compliant with the stock magazine, so there goes roughly 20% of your SKS market too.

Great idea right along the lines of the DC Engineering units.

To answer your question, I'd pay $50 for the parts and plans if it was legal to use here in California.

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Re: TAPCO SKS Mag without Duckbill
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2009, 06:19:48 PM »
I wouldn't cut up perfectly good 100% functioning mags to adapt them to fit one rifle with the mod just to remove the duckbill.  I have 3 bubbas, so if I were to invest in something like this I would want it in all 3 rifles not just 1 (mag computability issue).  So for me the cost would have to be $15-$20 and even then I don't think I'd buy because the benefit does not outweigh the negatives for me and to buy 3 it would still cost me over $60.  Cobray also tried to market proprietary (AK type) mags with an adapter and failed miserably.  Someone just sold 4 cobrays with 2 adapters for $15 here recently, the downside to the Cobrays is you have to drill and tap the bottom of the receiver to install their adapter.
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