socialist state of Oregon

[joe66]

The Socialist State of Oregon governor has signed a new, restrictive anti gun law. To get a permit to purchase a firearm we will have to take a class, that hasn't been defined yet, and be finger printed, photographed plus have a background check by the State Police who say that they don't have enough personnel or a computer system capable to conduct the check that the new law requires! The permit will be good for 5 years. The state estimates the cost for the class, printing and background check will be $300 to $400. If I understand it correctly, when you actually purchase the gun you will have to have another background check, by phone, at the point of sale! This is usually between $10 & $20 but maybe this will be changed also. The fact that I already have taken a class, been printed and had a background check to get my CWP doesn't matter! I have to do it again if I want to buy a new firearm! Then there is the high capacity magazine restriction! We're being limited to 10 rds. If you already own hi cap mags, you can keep them, you just can't buy new ones! You can't bring them in from another state. You can only use them on of your own property and at a licensed range. The closest range to me is 30 miles away so I usually just drive into the nearby mountains that are about 2 miles from home, to shoot so I need to get a few 10 rd mags for my AR. I tried to order from Midway today and they won't even ship 10rd Magpuls to Oregon now. Magpul has two styles. One is the 30 rd mag body to fit in magazine pouches that a person may own but with a spacer riveted inside limiting it to 10rds and when I tried to order that one I got a message saying that they could not be shipped to Oregon. I then tried to order Magpuls "shorty" 10rd mags and got a message saying that due to the removeable floorplate that mag could not be shipped to my state! The idiots in our capital always try to keep up with commiefornia and the socialist democrats have a super majority in the capital so they can pass whatever they want. It's a shame that 7 counties out of 36 can control the rest of the state. And 5 of those counties are the area around Portland with their open drug use, crime and homelessness and the rest of the state has to suffer due to their inability to control their problems.   

[Onepoint]

Like CO it has become a blue state hell for normal people, especially gun owners.  It will be challenged in court, and maybe years from now will get struck down, which in blue state fashion they will likely ignore and keep doing anyway.   Urban centers are a blight  in so many ways, but the most egregious is how they cheerfully lead the way into totalitarianism and tyranny while fulfilling none of the promises they use to get there.

[PAX]

Man, you guys are getting shafted hard, worse than Kali cost wise. Here you need a Firearms Safety Certificate but it's only $25 bucks every 5 years (I guess safe handling changes somehow), then there's 11% tax on new guns and ammo. Still a 10 day wait unless, you've got CCW no big mags until you get an AW permit ($). Oregon and Washington are going downhill 2A wise. Too much laziness in the gun owners and they're an out numbered minority. Good luck with the appeals. PAX

[joe66]

I forgot one key part of this new law. It's a firearm registration scheme, it requires the state police to establish a list of firearm permit holders and the firearms they purchase!

[PAX]

I forgot one key part of this new law. It's a firearm registration scheme, it requires the state police to establish a list of firearm permit holders and the firearms they purchase!

Would that be going forward or retro listing of guns possessed? I think Kali is from 2014 forward. Before then Cash and Carry was king & legit for used weapons. If off the books stays off. PAX

[joe66]

It's going forward with any new purchase's but private sales will now require a background check and I'm sure a gun shop will want to see the buyers permit and the sale will be recorded.

[Onepoint]

I believe Jefferson said something about a tree for things like this.

[Workingzombie]

Even if eventually some of the laws are struck down by SCOTUS, and that's a big if, the damage done to gun shops going under from reduced sales, and new generation of would-be handgun owners will be discouraged to buy.  Gun manufacturers will be shy to do business with anyone in Oregon. The same thing that happen in NY when then NYC mayor Bloomberg sent his own private investigators paid by him to harass out of state gun shops to carry out his own private agenda. The resulted in many out-of state gun shops for selling guns and ammunition to customers to NY, even though they legally could, because they did not want to get hung up by frivolous lawsuits from NY that even if they could win would break them financially. 

It's revealing to know that what some consider a bug of government incompetence and bureaucracy is actually a feature by the power-brokers in charge to slowly suffocate opposition under the too-true guise of legally claiming delays and lack of funding to carry out their programs they propose to establish.

[Onepoint]

Its not really a revelation that these laws, or any laws of prohibition are never a loss for the statists.  Occasionally some individual politician may pay for it with is position, but most times not, and even if overturned it costs them nothing, all the while the chilling effect you mention take its toll on what would be normal economic activity even if over turned.  They are not intended to work as stated, the yare intended to deprive the people of their ability to exercise not only the specific right, but all the accessory rights that follow.   That part if the quiet tyranny, and they are smug in knowing once passed, it will never be entirely undone. 

 It's why I have never understood the 'we can just fight them in the courts' attitude.