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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2025, 11:10:46 AM »
Reportedly his own father turned him in, had to be the hardest phone call to make.

Three days too late, unfortunately.
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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2025, 11:26:43 AM »
Reportedly his own father turned him in, had to be the hardest phone call to make.

Especially so since both the Feds and Utah are already talking "death penalty".

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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2025, 11:32:56 AM »
Reportedly his own father turned him in, had to be the hardest phone call to make.

Three days too late, unfortunately.

We shall see what the narrative looks like in the next few days and weeks:  Sometimes there is no warning for these sorts of things.  Sometimes there are plenty of warnings that were overlooked due to wishful thinking.  And sometimes there are huge red flags that should have demanded action . . .

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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2025, 11:36:10 AM »
They released the text of the "engraved" ammo cases.   Early reports there were pro transgender inscriptions, but those looks more like slang and pop culture references,  the guy is not transgender, at least from what I saw, he is ANTIFA.  Half the messages were related to that.
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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2025, 12:56:22 PM »
We have crossed the Rubicon.  There has been a change in the air, even before the political assassination of Charlie Kirk.  Even time seems to be moving faster.  It's like the whole world is speeding towards a cliff with the pedal to the metal.

This may herald the beginning of the end.  I don't know what's coming, but it's not good. 

That you can be shot for just wanting to debate would be unfathomable in the recent past.  Now it comes as no surprise.

RIP Charlie Kirk, you will be remembered as a martyr to free speech and social discourse, which seems to have come to an end.

It seems the time is at hand. We are no longer The United States of America. :cry:
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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2025, 04:01:36 PM »
There is no small irony in this, that they hated one of the few willing to go to them and debate the issues, so much so they eventually killed him.  When you kill the reasonable people, who do they think they leave behind to deal with? 

But then nothing about this has to do with reason. At some point we stop trying to reach the left and realize they simply need defeated in every aspect, politically, culturally and forcefully should they resist it that way.  And if you step back and look at what's happened the last couple years or so, we are, we just need to persevere until they are completely discredited and destroyed as a movement.  Certainly not everything the right does is justified much less perfect, but we are at a point, if you don't willingly pick a side and fight, it will be chosen for you, likely through tragedy.
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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2025, 05:59:43 PM »
Enough irony in all of this you could actually finish the hi speed rail in CA. All across the nation people are being suspended fired or called into HR for their social media posts celebrating the death of Kirk.  All he did was oppose their world view.

When I was young the golden rule among other Christian based ethos were drilled into me as a directive to my behavior to others.  1/2 a century ago or more, I internally rolled my eyes when once visiting my great grandmother Ehrlich, an ancient yet powerful German lady who would whop you upside the head if you stepped out of line without missing a beat, she would say that tired old line "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."  It was instruction, and being young I had no interest in that, I wanted to be rebellious, which led to several "corrections" over the years by grandparents and parents alike. I'm sure I tested their patience and endurance, but at some point I got it, they were modifying my behavior because there is consequence to it.  It's obvious far too many people lacked that support and training to be an adult while growing up, where then the corrections only hurt your feelings, now in the big wide world, those corrections carry a little more weight and threat.
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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2025, 10:15:26 PM »
I think Victor Davis Hanson sums up what you're trying to say:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZOZbM1EQPc.

Here's another one from Bill Maher more or less saying similar things to what's being said in this thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt34Du-2cWY

I was appalled by the number of posts praising Charlie Kirk's assassination -- utterly appalled.  I hope employers drag these folks into HR and fire them for these posts like they're want to do for right leaning posts!

I would add to that that the right can also be guilty of this sort of thing:  I reference the recent assignation of Melissa Hortman, et al. here in Minnesota.  Extremists on both sides are going to start a second American civil war if we're not careful.

When killing your neighbors for their politics begins to run rampant, there will be violence in the streets as there was in most of central and eastern Europe after WWI.  The result was that "strong men", dictators, and tyrants had taken control of most of these nations by the outbreak of WWII.

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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2025, 10:29:05 AM »
The right certainly has their outliers of violence as well, but we tend to condemn it regardless when its that kind of violence, excepting at the point of an altercation defending oneself.

But in the larger objective view, the right, not the racist extremist, but the political right as in those in MN and MI has been targeting those who are using force against them to infringe on their rights and liberty, politicians. And still we as a group condemn it mostly even if we may understand it. While the left is trying its darndest to silence the right from even disagreeing with them, by any means. And the lefts base by a much larger margin not only show approval but rejoice.  Its not the same, even if both are wrong. Every conflict has base tenets and perceptions that are used to justify it, and that is a striking difference IMO.  One is maybe an unjustified preemption of perceived threat, the other is straight up oppression of opposition.
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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2025, 11:58:13 AM »
Here's another one from Bill Maher more or less saying similar things to what's being said in this thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt34Du-2cWY

One thing I missed in this clip was the survey of Gen-Z:  Only 58% of Gen Z believes that there is no excuse for violence in response to speech. Meaning that 42% believe that there are some times that the violence ought to be a response to speech, which is which is deeply troubling.

People have been told that "words are violence".  They've even been told that "silence is violence".  Is it any wonder that they would respond to all this perceived "violence" with actual violence?  I expect things will get much worse before they get better.

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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2025, 12:52:13 PM »
As I said earlier, we need to stop accepting their premise.

"We should no longer indulge in the sematic game.   For example a guy calling himself a she is still a guy, and that should be universally pointed out unless you want to participate in that delusion.  That is not the only bastardization, things like "hate" speech is violence, or even not participating in their narrative like "silence is violence" slogans that seek to redefine what violence is, so it can then be regulated or in some cases used as justification.  No speech is violence, there is speech that may incite it, but only directly and immediately, not in general. And that needs to be protected, even if we don't agree or like it, at all cost.  Violence is an act, as poignantly pointed out as possible with the killing of Charlie Kirk over it."

They should be called out every single time they do it.

That's how we start a correction.
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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2025, 05:09:53 PM »
They should be called out every single time they do it.

Here's another great commentary, this one from William Kirk (no relation to Charlie) on the situation we're talking about:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6WtLxM-z3E

He talks about all the folks on social media apparently celebrating Charlie's death . . . then he mentions all the thousands of "likes" many of these posts are getting.

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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2025, 05:49:49 PM »
They released the text of the "engraved" ammo cases.   Early reports there were pro transgender inscriptions, but those looks more like slang and pop culture references,  the guy is not transgender, at least from what I saw, he is ANTIFA.  Half the messages were related to that.

He might not even be that, a lot of the younger crowd trolls all the time. Trying to get kids anymore to even act sane or serious is a major undertaking for many of them. One of the various shooters trolled everyone in his manifesto IIRC. This could just be a crock of **** like he did.
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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2025, 06:06:38 PM »
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Here's another great commentary
That was pretty good, The last question he said we should all be asking was "How can any of us coexist when the other side appears to want all of us dead." I have seen the same rhetoric coming from the left.

The problem is that is far too generalized to be accurately answered, not all of them want us dead, and certainly there are some on the right that do want them all dead.  What the real problem is not so much that anyone wants someone else dead, if you polled most would say not, it's that they will tolerate that so long as the group over all is suppressed enough to cease to be an issue for them.  We see that in gun control in cases like Bryan Malinowski.  By far on the left, it was OK to kill people because they were breaking a law they support, yet in the case of George Floyd the opposite reaction.   The 2 cases were nothing alike, one was initiated by the state invading his own home in a raid,  the latter initiated by the perpetration of a crime and resisting arrest.  Yet polar opposite reaction from them when it comes to deaths as a result.

I think on the right one of the biggest contentions is the absence of equal application of law.  And that is not what the left wants, they want to, and have, weaponized it.  In their view law should be used for equity and "social justice" not true justice.  So the question then becomes how do you coexist when the other side wants to systematically remove you, if not physically then in participation of a societal structure aside from being a cash cow for them.  And I think the answer to that is obvious.
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Re: Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot
« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2025, 06:11:07 PM »
They released the text of the "engraved" ammo cases.   Early reports there were pro transgender inscriptions, but those looks more like slang and pop culture references,  the guy is not transgender, at least from what I saw, he is ANTIFA.  Half the messages were related to that.

He might not even be that, a lot of the younger crowd trolls all the time. Trying to get kids anymore to even act sane or serious is a major undertaking for many of them. One of the various shooters trolled everyone in his manifesto IIRC. This could just be a crock of **** like he did.
Maybe, but it has come out he had a trans "roommate" he reportedly has a relationship with.  It may be he was simply seeking fame, but I suspect it was driven with the radicalization of something other than just narcissism.  Antifa defenders are quick to assert there is no test to being one, so you can't label anyone as it.  Yet he used specific language on the casing inscriptions to lead to reasonable conjecture about it.
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