Charlie Kirk Has Been Shot

[Workingzombie]

As I said earlier, we need to stop accepting their premise.

"We should no longer indulge in the sematic game.   For example a guy calling himself a she is still a guy, and that should be universally pointed out unless you want to participate in that delusion.  That is not the only bastardization, things like "hate" speech is violence, or even not participating in their narrative like "silence is violence" slogans that seek to redefine what violence is, so it can then be regulated or in some cases used as justification.  No speech is violence, there is speech that may incite it, but only directly and immediately, not in general. And that needs to be protected, even if we don't agree or like it, at all cost.  Violence is an act, as poignantly pointed out as possible with the killing of Charlie Kirk over it."

They should be called out every single time they do it.

That's how we start a correction.

I like what Confucius said over two thousand years ago: "Calling things by their right name is the beginning of wisdom"

People want the same thing? Maybe is some general non defined way way, but not in details or certainly not in any kind of governance for it to happen.

Agreed. It boggles my mind that in the US even most of the poor are rich compared to 90% of the planet, with opportunities to progress upward and get assistance. Remember the 1950's and 60's where a small minority complained about suburbia living, 9-5 jobs and having a wife and kids as conformist and boring? They forgot many of those people who lived that way survived the great depression, WW2, and Korea war.. Peace and contentment is what many of them wanted, not constant chaos, turmoil, rioting, and getting high off being anti-establishment. The succeeding generations who grew up well fed and safe, benefiting from the hard work of those who went before them.

Most of these clowns live life in front of a computer and video games, vaping and smoking dope to numb them from the harsh reality of having to work to get anywhere. They want the money and fame without the effort, so trolling and violence is the easiest way for them to get 15 minutes of fame. They want what their families worked for decades to have handed to them.

[LESchwartz]

Boohoo!  People are losing there jobs for personal social media comments celebrating a murder.  How unfair:  https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/13/business/charlie-kirk-death-fired-comments.

To be clear:  I do not advocate the persecution of anyone for innocent misstatements, nor of using this situation for "payback" to go after people.  On the other hand, "cancel culture" has run rampant in recent years -- the folks behind it would seem to be getting a taste of their own medicine and it appears they don't like it.

Personal note:  I can assure you that is I were ever so audacious as to post some of my true opinions on the current "culture wars" topics on personal social media, my employer would haul my butt into HR and I would be looking for work.  It almost reminds me of Revelation 13:17 . . .

Larry

[Onepoint]

More than once I have posted I won't miss someone who had died or something similar, usually reserved for people who had affected me negatively personally, but these people crossed into being evil, actually giddy someone died because they don't like what he said.  And the same people were happy to see people fired for not having the right politically correct speech for the last few years.  They got it coming.  We all can speak free, but there is consequence, and that's one of them, disassociation with them.  The 1st amendment covers only what the govt can do.

[LESchwartz]

We all can speak free, but there is consequence, and that's one of them, disassociation with them.  The 1st amendment covers only what the govt can do.

You are right.  But you are also not quite correct:  Many modern HR Policies are a reflection of the laws of the state in which the company is incorporated or in which their headquarters are located.  It's difficult to say the HR rules are a result of a company's actual values.

Larry

[Workingzombie]

We all can speak free, but there is consequence, and that's one of them, disassociation with them.  The 1st amendment covers only what the govt can do.

You are right.  But you are also not quite correct:  Many modern HR Policies are a reflection of the laws of the state in which the company is incorporated or in which their headquarters are located.  It's difficult to say the HR rules are a result of a company's actual values.

Larry

Woke businesses, like the Democrat politicians know they must draw a line, however hypocritical, not to lose business or votes. They are playing the long game, and must maintain a facade of fake outrage presently because the shooter tipped their hand prematurely, like one nervous guy in an ambush revealing his unit's position letting off a shot before their target is fully in their sights.

[thresher_593]

I have been struck by the contrast between the lives of Charlie Kirk and Tyler Robison.

The alleged shooter was apparently raised in a good home, two parents, younger siblings, comfortable lifestyle. He was apparently raised with a church background, went to good schools where he was a good student. He received a prestigious scholarship at a good college. From there, it seems his life started to unwind. He only managed to stay in college for a single semester and quit. His family indicates this is when he started to display anger towards conservatives He entered an electricians apprenticeship program According to everything I've read he was in the third year of the program. Most electrical apprenticeships I hear about are only two years in class and then out to the job. Was he struggling with the work? But he was in a relationship with trans woman. And his hatred grew. He seems to have been involved with online gaming and radical chat sites. And then, the shooting of Charlie Kirk If convicted, his life is, quite literally, over. Either a life sentence of the death penalty Why?? We may never know. He may simply say he doesn't know why he did it But his is a tale of a life and opportunities wasted

On the other hand, Charlie Kirk lived a life of purpose. He also experienced a decent upbringing. Nice home. Good parents. Excellent schools. He tried college but was bored and exasperated by the culture of indoctrination In a sense, you might say college radicalized Charlie also. But his energy was positive, not negative. He started Turning Point USA and spent countless hours on college campuses giving students a voice they are searching for. He offered everyone the freedom to air their views. He offered open discourse. But most importantly, he offered truth. And liberals hated him for it.

At some point in time, Tyler Robinson decided to end Charlie Kirk's life. And last Wednesday, he carried out an act of hatred.

Charlie's life on Earth is over but his message lives on.

A life lived to the fullest extent and a life wasted. What a difference.

[Danjal]

Apprenticeships last as long as they need to so they can get grades or time in to be legal. Very rarely will folks get tossed once started unless they refuse to do what needs done. Ohio is 3-5 years, 8000 hours, and 500-1000 hours of classroom instruction. Mostly the apprentice works under supervision and goes to classes one weekend or two nights a week. Once they get all the time on job and classroom time, they graduate or stop the classes and just wait it out for job time. Some states require a test and interview also to become a journeyman, here the test is only for the contractor and it's on them to screen journeymen for skills and aptitude.

Regarding junior unwinding, your late teens, early 20's is the time in someone's life they really find themselves, shed the yoke of responsibility from mom and dad and go off on their own. It's why many late teens and early 20 somethings do stupid crap, mess up, then learn why their folks raised them the way they did. Most kids fall back on earlier lessons and cool down, some decide to completely buck the system and hopefully come out all right once they're older and wiser in the end. Junior here did one of the few things that will irrevocably screw up his chances in life.

[JimmyJamesKY]

A song for Charlie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCBkt5Nt1wo

I don't like much contemporary music, but Jesse Welles is someone I've been listening to.  I thought he was just a young YouTuber singing under power lines in the Ozarks, but he's gaining quite a bit of popularity of late.  I was wanting to see him play in Knoxville in February, but it's already sold out.  His songs have a political bent reminiscent of '60s n '70s folk music.  He shared the stage with John Fogerty for "Have You Ever Seen the Rain" recently.  Passing the torch was cool to watch.

Anyway, the only thing more tragic than Charlie Kirk's death is the glee that some folks feel over it.

[Onepoint]

I have seen quite a few tribute songs, from surprising people, Post Malone, Adele, Rhianna among others.

I try to be careful about canonizing people after they die,  I didn't agree with him at times, his conclusions questionable IMO, sometime snarky in reply but he was always prepared, and certainly no one on the left does that much less show up to speak without vetted audiences.

[thresher_593]

I think the thing I really respected about Kirk is that he went to college campuses and gave students (and professors) the opportunity to voice their opinions. It was always my belief that this one one of the reasons you go to college. To present your view and hear what others have to say.
But, it seems the academic community only wants one train of thought on the tracks.

You learn a lot about people when you watch how they react after a person dies.
My Dad was in the funeral business for over 50 years.
I've seen some absolutely horrible behavior at funerals.
People are @$$holes.

[LESchwartz]

Well, here we go . . . Pam Bondi AGOTUS is now saying "hate speech is a crime":  https://x.com/AGPamBondi/status/1967913066554630181.

The things she cites are crimes.  But "hate speech" is protected by by the First Amendment.

"Hate speech" may have consequences, but it is not a crime.

Larry

[Onepoint]

Pam Blondie needs to go.  Hate speech is protected by the 1st, I don't care what she says, mainly because hate speech is only determined arbitrarily by govt, which is exactly what the 1st was created to preempt.

[thresher_593]

SCOTUS decided a long time ago that hate speech is protected by the First.

Which is why you can burn an American flag but not a Pride flag.

[Onepoint]

I have a hard time realizing we are over 3 weeks out from this event and I am still seeing stories every day of people spewing vile hatred at Kirk and anyone who honors him.  He inspired a nation wide if not international revival, and the enemies decent human beings have revealed themselves.  Gleefully wallowing in easily disprovable lies and vile personal attacks.

I mean seriously, how hard can it be to just shut the hell up and let people mourn their loss, whether you like them or not.

 TDS has metastasized, no surprise, into true hate of anything they dislike, or even anyone simply disagreeing at this point.  You can blame media or political leadership or whatever, but this behavior is chosen, because alternative attitudes are out there and exampled everyday as well.  Admittedly, for many who leaned left who are still capable of rational thought, they are rejecting the radical left as this has been an eye opening experience, you can only be gaslit willingly, and as the democrat party seems to embrace this both actively and passively, people are leaving it.  Still I am a little shocked how many just seem to enjoy hating other people so much, and we wonder in aftermaths why there are Tyler Robinsons or Luigi Mangiones.

[thresher_593]

I went to a meeting last week at the local community college. I was leaving and there's a set op steps from the sidewalk down to the parking lot. Maybe 6 or 7 steps, concrete with railings on each side and down the middle. I was halfway down and someone came flying past me and did a faceplant on the pavement. Then I hear somebody screaming. I started to help the guy up, he was older than me and realized he was hurt pretty bad. His face was a bloody mess, nose, teeth, forehead. And his arm was hurt too.

He had been shoved. Two guys grabbed the woman who shoved him. Campus security showed up immediately and the  EMS and sheriff's deputies were there pretty quick too. The girl had shoved him because she thought he was wearing a MAGA hat. It was red, had letters on the front. Her problem was(and is) that the hat said "OSU." Dude's an Ohio State fan.

The man has a broken arm, a bunch of scrapes and bruises, lost a tooth and his glasses got busted.

The girl that did it was dressed in all black. Black boots, black cargo pants, black shirt. Head shaved on one side, long hair on the other. She was screaming about Trump the whole they were holding her. She was a little surprised when she found out the hat didn't say MAGA. She was lot more surprised to find out she was being arrested for Assault & Battery.

It's coming to a sad point when you can't walk across a college campus without being assaulted but this is today's reality. Even in a sleepy little backwater burg like our's, TDS is apt to strike.

Like I said, people have lost their everlovin' minds.