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Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« on: April 08, 2012, 10:47:44 PM »
Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
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Titled: Disarmament Demobilization and Reintegration A PRACTICAL FIELD AND CLASSROOM GUIDE

2.5.2.3 Weapons Registration
Legal weapons should be registered according to the national legislation. Weapons registration allows two things to happen: first, people can retain some of their weapons and feel that they are secure; and second, international peacekeeping and national security forces know approximately how many weapons are in a given area.
This is particularly useful in future disarmament campaigns as a check for success by counting weapons collected in comparison with the registry. The registration process should be jointly run by international and civil agencies, or by local police, and monitored by international forces. This will help prevent international forces from becoming known as the ‘new enemy’ and will also increase the legitimacy of the local forces, as transparency through supervision is possible.
Registration is a simple process that requires accurate information collection and sufficient personnel. It does not require a large amount of equipment, storage or security. The problem with weapons registration is similar to those faced by most weapons control techniques – people do not want to come forward. A comprehensive preparation of a society preceding disarmament creates a positive situation that allows registration, perhaps as a first step in the disarmament process, to proceed. Assurances must be given by international forces and/or local authorities that security is not a problem and that registering does not mean that weapons will immediately be seized. Incentives are often used to encourage registration, ranging from positive measures, such as food and money, to negative ones, such as harsh laws and forced seizure of weapons. Registering weapons makes it possible to input serial numbers into an inventory and track their future usage and trade. This helps increase transparency and implements controls.
Databases of military and police weapons help track weapons to their place of origin and limit unauthorized transfers. At the same time a comprehensive system of safe storage, weapons management and a code of conduct for the existing military and police forces can improve the security situation and legitimize civilian disarmament. One of the best examples for this is the safe storage program for police and army in Cambodia.
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I know it sounds like any House Democrat could have used this as a manual for their agenda of disarming the United States. This is chilling to read when you reflect on just how the Nazi came to power in Germany on the heels of gun registration initiated during the Weimar Republic. When you realize that this book is being housed at an Army.mil web site of the government of the United States of America we wonder if the government is not getting ready to head down the same path as the Weimar Republic. Terrorist hate our personal liberty as Americans. Who are the terrorist really?

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Edit to Add: Section 2.3 is very revealing:
2.3 Target Groups

Disarmament initiatives must be focused on, and aspects of them indeed targeted at,
specific groups. What might be appropriate for sophisticated standing armed forces
might not be appropriate for guerrilla forces, for example.
A conventional (inter-state) war is usually defined as a conflict between two or more
nation-states, where the warring parties are represented by their respective conventional
military forces. Intra-state (civil) wars, on the other hand, are often fought between
irregular forces and conventional armed forces, or between other irregular forces and/or
civilians.

Therefore, the target groups for disarmament programmes following in the wake
of such conflicts must include not only statutory forces, militias and irregular armed
groups; they must also include civilians who are not members of an armed group, but
who have armed themselves with SALW for purposes of self-defence.

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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2012, 11:01:36 PM »
Registration can be good for some things, but it is never good for our firearms because it makes it to easy to take them...

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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2012, 11:07:46 PM »
Unless anyone here's keeping any unregistered firearms, methinks .gov has all our serial numbers cataloged already.

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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2012, 11:42:52 PM »
Unless anyone here's keeping any unregistered firearms, methinks .gov has all our serial numbers cataloged already.

  Since a lot of us live in states where there is no gun registration, and a lot of firerams change hands in private sales, I doubt that.
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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2012, 11:57:05 PM »
It's a written exercise produced by several peacekeeping thinktanks and organizations for the UN.
 
While not surprising in it's content, since it was written FOR the UN, I somehow doubt it's standing doctrine for the U.S. military.
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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2012, 12:23:36 AM »
Unless anyone here's keeping any unregistered firearms, methinks .gov has all our serial numbers cataloged already.

  Since a lot of us live in states where there is no gun registration, and a lot of firerams change hands in private sales, I doubt that.

Oh wow didn't know that's how it worked in some states. That's pretty sweet, kinda wish WI was like that.

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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2012, 06:44:14 AM »
Michigan they will be able to track down pistol owners easy because we have to register them, but long guns may not be as easy as they are not registered.

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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2012, 07:53:22 AM »
It's a written exercise produced by several peacekeeping thinktanks and organizations for the UN.
 
While not surprising in it's content, since it was written FOR the UN, I somehow doubt it's standing doctrine for the U.S. military.

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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2012, 07:53:50 AM »
It's a written exercise produced by several peacekeeping thinktanks and organizations for the UN.
 
While not surprising in it's content, since it was written FOR the UN, I somehow doubt it's standing doctrine for the U.S. military.

+1 - there weren't any US organizations involved in the creation of this document. It's aimed at UN troops operating in post conflict theaters like Liberia or Yugoslavia or whatever that need to demilitarize militias or remnant forces. It's essentially course material for Army forces which might be taking part in those sorts of operations.

That said the sections highlighted by freight underscores how much control can be exercised with comprehensive and intrusive records. There's a great scene in Red Dawn where the Russians go right to the gun registries in the county records and use that information to round up guns and gun owners. Makes me glad that Michigan is a state which allows face to face sales of long guns that only need a handshake and a modicum of mutual respect between the participants. As long as there are states with laws like that on the books it limits the ability of .gov to contain lawfully owned and operated firearms and their owners.
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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2012, 07:55:26 AM »
All joking aside that is not DOD doctrine. Not even close. If it is ever in question look for a document title like AR, DODFM, TRADOC, DA PAM, something of that nature.
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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2012, 08:01:33 AM »
Unless anyone here's keeping any unregistered firearms, methinks .gov has all our serial numbers cataloged already.

  Since a lot of us live in states where there is no gun registration, and a lot of firerams change hands in private sales, I doubt that.

Oh wow didn't know that's how it worked in some states. That's pretty sweet, kinda wish WI was like that.

I've purchased any number of guns in Wisconsin via private sale, none of them are "registered".  Those I've purchased from dealers are.  So the "law" in Wisconsin, as of right now, is on our side unless you're in a shop somewhere.

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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2012, 11:35:35 AM »

I've purchased any number of guns in Wisconsin via private sale, none of them are "registered".  Those I've purchased from dealers are.  So the "law" in Wisconsin, as of right now, is on our side unless you're in a shop somewhere.

Wow, really? I thought private sales had to be done through an FFL?

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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2012, 12:06:06 PM »

I've purchased any number of guns in Wisconsin via private sale, none of them are "registered".  Those I've purchased from dealers are.  So the "law" in Wisconsin, as of right now, is on our side unless you're in a shop somewhere.

Wow, really? I thought private sales had to be done through an FFL?

Only if your state requires it.

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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2012, 06:48:17 PM »
Nothing like a little out-of-context quotation, eh?

This is a manual written by some civilian think-tanks in NATO countries (Germany, France, Sweden, and Norway) considering how UN forces can disarm an armed populous in post war reconstructions or in the wake of peacekeeping operations, if it is deemed necessary.

It is far, far, FAR from being anything remotely like a US Army tactic, procedure, technique, policy, etc.

There are all manner of studies and plans made out there in the military-verse that consider and analyze all kinds of different possibilities.  The existence of, for example, a plan for what to do if a huge meteor lands squarely on the Pentagon doesn't mean that it's actually likely to happen.  A study of how to handle a massive outbreak of zombie flu doesn't mean that there is a nefarious plan to actually make it happen and put that plan into action.

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Re: Manual on Gun Confiscation on US Army web site
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2012, 09:19:13 PM »

I've purchased any number of guns in Wisconsin via private sale, none of them are "registered".  Those I've purchased from dealers are.  So the "law" in Wisconsin, as of right now, is on our side unless you're in a shop somewhere.

Wow, really? I thought private sales had to be done through an FFL?

Just thinking...  if it goes thru a FFL.  It ain't so frickin' private, now is it? :lol:

Only if your state requires it.
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