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Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« on: May 30, 2013, 11:54:42 AM »
I have a buyer interested in a Norinco Sks. He is in New York state. I called their hot line to see if it was legal to ship there to a ffl. She asked if was an assult weapon. I told her I wasn't sure if it was according to there laws. The only question I have is she stated does it have or the abilty to have a detachable mag. It has a fixed box magazine on it now. She said it is a very vague but important law. We all know how to covert to tapcos ect. but is that what there talking about.
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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2013, 02:41:29 PM »
Been awhile since we had current threads on this. Now, I seem to recall that an SKS with fixed 10 round magazine is legal there. At least for in state sales through a FFL Dealer.  Even then I think they can only load 7 rounds. Any mag on one other than the box, has to have been registered or turned into authorities.
 Also, they have the law that says all new magazines coming into the state must be manufactured for only 7 rounds max. A C&R SKS in NY itself does not seem to be a problem. BUT, no SKS with a Norinco stamp on it is considered a C&R. The latest Sino-Albanians are C&R. Not Norinco and others. So plenty of potential for problems no matter which way you turn. If you google a bit on SKS in New York, you will find some dealers will now accept no SKS for transfers, especially a Chinese. Just a big headache for all.

And to be extremely honest about it, it is not legal for me to sell one of my Chinese SKS to a C&R holder because the Norinco stamped are not C&R. I can only ship to an FFL01.

I stay away from NY sales altogether now. But stay away from any Bubba job or Tapco folding stock, etc.
Those are considered an assault rifle as far as I read..

This is all I seem to recall from earlier on. Don't pretend I know for certain. I just stay clear away from their dealings.
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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2013, 02:48:25 PM »
As far as I understand NY new laws, the conversation on the SKS isn't detachable mag, it's the bayonet that qualifies it as an assault weapon/rifle.

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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2013, 02:50:12 PM »
Finally found what I was looking for. Go through this and answer their questions. Also read well. Then make your own decision whether to risk it or not.

http://www.governor.ny.gov/nysafeact/gun-reform
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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2013, 09:33:53 PM »
Thanks . I' m in touch with there ffl and all sounds good so far.
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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2013, 11:04:18 AM »
Standard sks (fixed magazine) is legal to own, buy, sell, use...etc in NY- so a sale to someone here from out of state would be okay (gets sent to an ffl anyway).  Bayonet is not an issue - becomes an issue only with versions that use detachable magazines ( Chinese 'D' model comes to mind).
 
Semi auto with detachable mag is the main ingredient for determining if gun is an 'aw' under new law- the 'evil features' come into play then.
The new regs do not allow any of the listed features (including bayonet lug), where the old law allowed one. Any semi auto gun with detachable mag and any of the prohibited features can no longer be transferred into or within NY. (So a 'D'  with a bayonet lug could no longer be sent here, but a lugless  'M' in a monte carlo stock could. Not in a thumbhole stock, though, that's another banned feature).

In order to keep any prohibited weapons already in possession- they must be registered with the state as an 'aw' by January next year.
Only exceptions to the sale or transfer prohibitions of an 'aw' are from an individual in the state to an out-of-state person (and therefore, most likely an ffl involved)or to an ffl instate (who cannot transfer to anyone in the state except law enforcement).
The law also exempts leo's from its provisions, but does not state exactly how a transfer to an leo should be done (but since all transactions have to go through an ffl for a background check now, that would be the likely way.)

Now- there is a provision in the law that says if you remove the offending features permanently, then the gun does not have to be registered and can be sold, traded, etc in the state. You should see some of the truly ugly-IMHO- variants of the AR being shown around here.


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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2013, 11:33:22 AM »
Very nice explanation Thank you
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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2013, 10:20:24 AM »
Sell an SKS to someone in New York and one day it will be confiscated and run through a chipper. Same thing with California. 
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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2013, 10:28:15 AM »
NO! All NY cities have their own set of Firearm laws too, so read before you ship anything into NY.

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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2013, 06:21:52 PM »
True there are a couple cities with specific local regulations...
 NYC area is main one to just stay away from- just on principle alone if nothing else- and there is a lot else (they have separate regulations different than the rest of the state)... but local regs in a couple other places mainly have to do with limits on detachable magazines...and Buffalo's limits have to do with multiple dwellings (no ak's in apartment buildings...etc) but in all cases (outside of NYC- and I don't deal with that place at all, so I'm just not sure), sks is legal to ship to an ffl -where any out of state gun must go- and any responsibility to turn over a gun would rest with the receiving dealer (and again- standard sks is not an 'aw')-- so if a buyer has an ffl that accepts it... :dontknow:

I am not a lawyer...and don't play one (well...unless there's been too many beers...) but have been buying & collecting sks here in NY for years...and having to explain the regs here where I live and having my ffl buddy contact sellers lots more lately.
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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2013, 07:00:43 PM »
A norinco- Is that anything like my CAI of the Georgia bemer bros I own?

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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2013, 06:45:01 PM »
This is the NY state link to show if your rifle is considered an assault weapon. Just answer the questions and it will tell you what you have.

http://www.governor.ny.gov/nysafeact/gun-reform
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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2013, 07:35:27 PM »
I already posted that several articles above. I'm sure he saw it a long time ago.
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Re: Is shipping a Norinco sks to New York state legal?
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2013, 05:01:49 AM »
Right you are. I don't know how I missed that.
It's still confusing to many people, including companies like Century who confuse NYC with NY state. NYC has it's own rules. Being in Suffolk County, I get confused with NYC rules all the time.
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