Forgive my tone here but some of this commentary just makes me want to puke. People advocating warrantless searches might as well just go piss on the graves at Normandy and wipe their taint with the flag. What does "freedom" mean to you? Is it wearing a flag on your lapel to front like you are a tough-guy patriot? Wasting gas in your bad-ass Hummer and putting a "support the troops" sticker on it, and then selling out the rights Americans have shed their blood for because you are afraid of a terrorist attack? Is being a patriot peeing your pants in fear of Osama and crying for chickenhawks GW and Cheney and Rummy and Wolfy to come save you by spying on you and your fellow Americans?? DISPICABLE.
I have never been more disgusted with my fellow Americans. GROW SOME BALLS and quit cowering. The argument that one shouldn't mind wiretapping unles they are doing something illegal is INANE. Moreover it is UNAMERICAN. Are you so selfish and scared that you are willing to sell out our Freedoms for your personal safety/security? If so, you are not fit to call yourself an American. You are a little Bush groupie... a dispicable FAN of a cult of personality, not a patriot of our nation and its ideals.
"Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither" --Ben Franklin
I can forgive your tone, sometimes we hit the submit button too early without really knowing what the debate is about or having all the facts.
It is the typical response to the PA: both misinformed and overblown.
Also I congratulate you on your thread victory and run for president.
You make me out to be come kind of wimp, you know nothing about me beside a policy I agree with, then that gives you the right to throw insults my way, then toss out some "you dont know what freedom is" rhetoric.
Great inspiring war stories, I had many relatives in my own bloodline make sacrifices, in once case because of Pearl Harbor, which shattered the complacency of the American public. Sound familiar?
My opinion is not fear related or have anything to do with my capacity to produce offspring, one which by the way is a Jr. Olympian and the other the second fastest freestyle swimmer in WA state.
What about our boys over there now? Would we like to bring them home? Or would we rather see the insurgence build up because we think somebody wants to tap our phone calls? What kind of patriot posers go along with this? It's great we can recall the past, what about now? Are our boys over there so we can make a private phone call, or do they have something more important to do? Is anyone willing to help? I didnt think so. Cry about some freedom all you want, throw up, whatever, it's just self serving and does squat to help the current conflict.
It is hard to imagine that the erosion of civil liberties is to be determined by known violations of the law that curtails civil liberties. What kind of circular logic is that? Hmmm ....
Like most here, you think that even a small limitation of civil liberties can never be acceptable. You think that, as a blotch of our commitment to freedom, courts should not allow the government to occupy our civil liberties even during emergencies. BS times infinity!
The truth is to the contrary.
Civil liberties during our the past have always expanded in peacetime and tapered during emergencies. During the Civil War, the two world wars, and the Cold War, Congress and the president restricted civil liberties, and courts deferred; during peacetime, civil liberties grew.
Records show that new protection policies usually last only as long as the combat or emergency, relax it's going to be ok.
The president and Congress most likely will give up their emergency powers; if they don’t, courts will step in. Notwithstanding a run of wars and emergencies since the Civil War, civil liberties in our country have extended steadily.Common-sense changes in surveillance law could have been used against al Qaeda before they murdered 3,000 people.
How soon we forget.
Some would like to believe that the Patriot Act allows CIA and NSA agents to saddle up and roam freely through the country busting anyone they please. Bogus, hollywood fantasy. The Patriot Act represents a modest cutback from an overcautious interpretation of FISA, but nothing like the pre-1978 establishment of warrantless searches. Law enforcement still must:
(1) apply for and receive a court order;
(2) establish probable cause that criminal activity is afoot; and
(3) first have tried to use "normal investigative procedures."
Now if they dont follow those procedures then thats wrong, and I dont agree with it. Some say its happening now, and I dont dispute that. There will always be two sides to every story. Here is one:
"I have never had a single abuse of the Patriot Act reported to me. My staff e-mailed the ACLU and asked them for instances of actual abuse. They e-mailed back and said they had none."
Sen. Dianne Feinstein
You have some followers here, time run for office and make some sweeping changes. Unfortunately those who disagree with the PA are in the minority.
Senate Total Voting Yea: 98%
House Total Voting Yes: 83%