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California COVID Lab
« on: August 29, 2023, 03:31:22 PM »
Lab in California was doing gain of function research on COVID, has corporate connections to China.  This was discovered about a month ago, and barely made a blip on the news.  The best coverage of the California COVID lab is out of India.  :roll:  The local mayor (Fresno?) gave a press conference, and he seemed pretty pissed off.  So am I.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oDXDO8yvO8

The mice in the lab were being used to an agent to spread COVID.  This was about a month ago, and now we are currently in a new wave of COVID outbreak.  My 9 year old had it last week, but tested negative Monday and was allowed back to school.  There are 10 people out at our adult day program with COVID.

Rumor has it the mice were there so they could make sure the vaccine against the new "election variant" of the COVID-19 virus is working.  I put this in the Tinfoil Hat section because this is a murky case.
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2023, 09:12:16 PM »
The NIH lifted its ban on gain of function in Dec 2017 so better resear4ch could be done for vaccines for future pandemics, 2 years later almost to the day a virus "escapes" that was tailor made from a lab funded by us in China and deliberately allowed to spread outside of China initially.  A lab in CA does research on gain of function on the same virus and just as it was behind us another variant pops up 1st on the west coast? 

Nearly everything official govt statements and medical "experts" claimed about its origin, its risk, the infection virulence and ways to mitigate it, and vaccine was either wrong or an outright lie.

You don't have to be invested in tinfoil to be asking WTF.  in fact if you are not by now you are either an idiot, or part of it.
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2023, 10:02:41 PM »
I don't get why folks hate gain of function so much. 99% of the research is for medical. All GOF really does is change a virus in some form and look at the results. We do this EVERY year for the flu to get the newest vaccine for it. As far as military we still need it. There's some unscrupulous nations that will absolutely use NBC to win. Best to stay on the leading edge in hopes of thwarting it. For every bad use of GOF, there's many more good uses.
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2023, 02:14:05 AM »
 The way I understand GOF is its the study of various mammal/animal viruses that typically are not harmful to humans. The GOF is in fact a re-engineering of the virus to "see" how it would replicate in human cells if in fact it could be made / modified to jump species. As with this bat virus, it was specifically manipulated to be invasive into human tissue. When Obama banned this Frankenstein work in his term, Fuochi moved the US program to China is the way I read it. The US based Frankenstein mutation was the introduction of Green Monkey virus and a common Bovin virus into a live cow. This was the old fashion way of virus modification. After the monkeys all got infected, they were used for Hepatitis vaccine culturing. Africa got those jabs first, then NYC residents. I watched inmates die of that AIDS virus back in 88. A VERY unpleasant way to die. The enemy to humanity is plainly looking back at its self in the mirror. Once they figured out that the fastest way to riches is by threatening people with sickness and death, all bets are off in the morality of Pharma work. The life's blood to those companies is the fact that there absolutely MUST be sick people in fear of sickness n death. Explain to me how is it that Humans populated the earth for thousands of years without the Pharmaceutical Jager Naughts of today. Once founded on sound human & moral ground, is not the hungry beast we have today. The founding and early history of the AMA was the US intro into pay to play in the industry. Rotten as hell! Somehow, their pedaling GOF as a good thing now?.....yeah, right.
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2023, 09:51:39 AM »
I'm not against GOF research per se, I'm against it being done in secret warehouse labs by elements of a hostile foreign government.

This wasnt scientists at UC Berkely working on a more effective COVID test, this was a secret bioweapons lab in the most populated state in the US and the world's 8th largest economy, and suddenly we have a new COVID outbreak.

Maybe the secret COVID lab with Chinese connections was just trying to help us out with some better test products.  That's why I posted this in Tin Foil.
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2023, 10:04:02 AM »
GOF is that gray area of making BIO weapons with the excuse of preparing for them.  No one really knows what is going on, because its classified and supposedly overseen by the very people doing it.  They don't need it for making vaccines on viruses already infectious. They make them more infectious or more virulent than naturally occurs.    They do need it for potential ones and it's just too damn coincidental that many of them of the influenzas variety make into open circulation. How many cancer studies make the cancer worse so they can find a cure? None, they all study existing condition which they already can't stop.

Combine that with partnering with an enemy and infamous intellectual property espionage source with associated compromised security and my BS meter is pegged when it comes to trusting govt research and statements.
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2023, 11:44:29 AM »
So, I'm not crazy for wondering about the resurgence in Covid just as we're starting a presidential election cycle?
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2023, 03:13:42 PM »
You mean the "Election Variant"?  :)

If you're crazy, then so am I.  With all the BS going around, it's hard to know what to believe or which sources to trust, so you doubt everything.  That's pretty much what people mean when they say "gas-lighting."  You undermine the institutions we're meant to rely upon and put truth itself in doubt.

The fact that this wasn't headline news is in itself troubling. 

EDIT:  The proposed reason for the lab mice weren't to improve vaccinations, but the stated goal of the operation was to improve the testing for COVID.  My bad.  Still, this was not a legitimate laboratory.
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2023, 11:30:03 AM »
The way I understand GOF is its the study of various mammal/animal viruses that typically are not harmful to humans. The GOF is in fact a re-engineering of the virus to "see" how it would replicate in human cells if in fact it could be made / modified to jump species. As with this bat virus, it was specifically manipulated to be invasive into human tissue. When Obama banned this Frankenstein work in his term, Fuochi moved the US program to China is the way I read it. The US based Frankenstein mutation was the introduction of Green Monkey virus and a common Bovin virus into a live cow. This was the old fashion way of virus modification. After the monkeys all got infected, they were used for Hepatitis vaccine culturing. Africa got those jabs first, then NYC residents. I watched inmates die of that AIDS virus back in 88. A VERY unpleasant way to die. The enemy to humanity is plainly looking back at its self in the mirror. Once they figured out that the fastest way to riches is by threatening people with sickness and death, all bets are off in the morality of Pharma work. The life's blood to those companies is the fact that there absolutely MUST be sick people in fear of sickness n death. Explain to me how is it that Humans populated the earth for thousands of years without the Pharmaceutical Jager Naughts of today. Once founded on sound human & moral ground, is not the hungry beast we have today. The founding and early history of the AMA was the US intro into pay to play in the industry. Rotten as hell! Somehow, their pedaling GOF as a good thing now?.....yeah, right.

GOF changes a virus to enhance it somehow. They can be harmless or harmful to humans before and after, it doesn't matter. GOF just adds to a virus's repertoire somehow. More/easier/interspecies transmission, deadlier, altered transmission (air spread vs water), etc. Most of it is used to see how the virus changes naturally to keep ahead of the upcoming season for it or to keep ahead of possible pandemics before they start. Ever hear "This year's flu vaccine is a good match for the current virus this season"? That's because they did the research months to a year ago, grew cultures, made the vaccine, then the virus outside of the lab naturally progressed along the same route. It's predicted by using GOF.

As far as human only, we do GOF on animal only viruses too. You do it for cows, chickens, pigs, sheep, etc. They get meds also and have issues with the flu. All GOF here. We're trying to curb the disease in animals so we're not starving and our famers are broke. OnePoint can tell us more about cattle vaccines and meds if he wants to, but the gov and scientists are looking to protect our agriculture.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/05/health/bird-flu-vaccine/index.html

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20221206/this-years-flu-shot-good-match-circulating-strains-cdc#:~:text=Dec.,match%20is%20to%20what's%20circulating.

Loss of function is the other side of the coin, but not many care about it as the virus loses all the above mentioned things and generally weakens it. And it's harder to spread gloom and gloom stories about the government and the boogieman shady never named people of the deepstate making things weaker instead of the newest turboaidsCOVIDcommoncoldhepatitis virus. That and Darwinism doesn't allow for it in nature. Anything that can't spread kills itself off eventually. Only the versions that do spread will be around after. We're currently trying this with mosquitoes in FL FYI. It might work some, but without continued rerelease of sterile mosquitoes, it'll just die off after a year or so and we're back to regular ones breeding like crazy.
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2023, 12:38:22 PM »
GOF is that gray area of making BIO weapons with the excuse of preparing for them.  No one really knows what is going on, because its classified and supposedly overseen by the very people doing it.  They don't need it for making vaccines on viruses already infectious. They make them more infectious or more virulent than naturally occurs.    They do need it for potential ones and it's just too damn coincidental that many of them of the influenzas variety make into open circulation. How many cancer studies make the cancer worse so they can find a cure? None, they all study existing condition which they already can't stop.

Combine that with partnering with an enemy and infamous intellectual property espionage source with associated compromised security and my BS meter is pegged when it comes to trusting govt research and statements.

We do need it actually. It's used every year for vaccines. Until another way of doing it comes along, this is the best we've got to predict the next season.
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mbio.02430-14

As far as them "getting out" almost all the GOF is to simulate naturally occurring scenarios. You can do GOF with cows and fences in your barn. Is it a conspiracy when a cow, out in the field, manages to get through a fence, break it, or otherwise get around it like the lab (barn) simulated? Clearly you let that cow loose so it taught all the others, by no means did it happen naturally like the testing (based on real life scenarios) showed. Clearly it was a leak. Here at DJI we perform GOF on internet postings before they get out of hand, currently we're seeing responses to western cattle ranchers that disagree with them can cause a new strain of angry reply. Don't worry, it's contained so it can't ever happen in the wild outside of the lab.

Cancer isn't a virus, it's a disease caused by external factors. Apples to oranges here. At this point we're not completely sure what causes it so we can prevent it fully. We know some things cause it, but we're still guessing at what it really does in the body to start the forming of cancer cells. And we have had several studies that made it worse. The beta carotene study was linked to making lung cancer worse. The thing with cancer is it's not transmissible from person to person, so there's about zero risk of the studies past the patient. Virus and bacteria can spread, so there's inherently more risk in studying them. So If we manage to make a super cancer, it's going to kill one person, not spread and kill millions. "Oops, lesson learned." vs "Oh ****, we just killed half the human race." Its things like this that gain a lot of attention. Guns and firearm info can get folks killed by someone that has less than honorable intentions, and libs want to shut down info on arms for that reason. Are we as bad as nuclear? Nope, but there's a risk with the knowledge. NBCs are safeguarded due to that. Teaching a guy how to make an auto AR-15/M16 isn't near the risk of teaching him how to use and deploy anthrax or a dirty bomb. Thankfully for us it takes a lot of resources to make NBCs, so not anybody, even with the knowledge, can just do it.

So yes, we're seeing a lot of the same viruses out of the lab because we're using the lab to simulate real life scenarios. With Wuhan/COVID the tards let it loose on accident. But all the forms of the flu out there are constantly changing day by day. We have 4 main types, but generally only care about two, A and B. You, as a farmer, should care about Type D as it's for cattle, yet spills over from them regularly. The reason we see bird flu so much in Asia is the unrestricted movement of poultry, high human populations, and tons of interactions with humans and chickens. It's a breeding ground for it there and it shows in real life. This is why we do GOF. Create the mess, learn how to clean it up before it shows up on it's own and we're several steps behind.
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2023, 11:25:33 PM »
You mean the "Election Variant"?  :)

If you're crazy, then so am I.  With all the BS going around, it's hard to know what to believe or which sources to trust, so you doubt everything.  That's pretty much what people mean when they say "gas-lighting."  You undermine the institutions we're meant to rely upon and put truth itself in doubt.

The fact that this wasn't headline news is in itself troubling. 

EDIT:  The proposed reason for the lab mice weren't to improve vaccinations, but the stated goal of the operation was to improve the testing for COVID.  My bad.  Still, this was not a legitimate laboratory.

Gas lighting is different. It's telling you're that you're crazy or don't know what you're talking about. It sowing self doubt as an abuser.

Right now our largest issue is so many believe half truths and lies. That and every Tom, Dick, and Harry can get a soapbox on the internet and claim to be the paragon of truth. These folks claim to "do their own research", but what it amounts to is watching a lot of out of context clips of **** on the net and spreading it like a good little parrot to a certain crowd that will give them more money for saying things they want to hear. Beware of anyone that talks fast and claims to know it all. And be extremely wary of anyone peddling fear porn, particularly for money from you of from advertisers. These people, like modern news stations, are only infotainment at best and want you to keep watching for ratings or clicks. It's how they make money, and you're the product.

Anymore I'm so sick of the post COVID lies on both sides I'm about to turn it all off and walk away from it all.
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2023, 11:33:35 PM »
So, I'm not crazy for wondering about the resurgence in Covid just as we're starting a presidential election cycle?

It's endemic now. Like the flu it's going to keep coming back every season. The flu used to be big news, it's just swapped to COVID. Respiratory virus season is usually Oct to May. Flu, colds, COVID, RSV, etc. They all rear their ugly heads and pretty much go away for half a year like clockwork. Get used to seeing COVID every year at this time.
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2023, 07:42:11 AM »
The difference from flu is they used covid hype and fear as a weapon to entirely assume authority and control of everyone's lives and livelihood. It's literal gaslighting to tell someone not to believe their eyes and just simple logic to think and act in ways to give people power over them, it's used by narcissists and abusers to control others which pretty much describes most of govt at this point. "Follow the science" was a mantra of authoritarians that did not allow any questioning of a hypothesis, even when evidence showed it to be wrong.  Covid became political and commercialized as well as vaccines in general anymore and as such don't expect any info about it to be in the sole interest of peoples wellbeing.  That doesn't enable or enrich.  I'm not an anti-vaccer so much as I have a distrust of people poisoning you by lobbying for approval despite side effects and then further profit from your illness.

That people want to do it again every year or so should lead to them being removed from power instead of ignored, a system cannot continue like this for very long.  Normalization of absurdity leads to escalation of it and pushback, escalation leads to conflict and that eventual collapse.
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Re: California COVID Lab
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2023, 11:43:04 AM »
Don't recall de guberment telling me to mask up, stay inside, vote absentee and let them spend trillions of dollars because of the flu.
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2023, 02:22:16 AM »
The difference from flu is they used covid hype and fear as a weapon to entirely assume authority and control of everyone's lives and livelihood. It's literal gaslighting to tell someone not to believe their eyes and just simple logic to think and act in ways to give people power over them, it's used by narcissists and abusers to control others which pretty much describes most of govt at this point. "Follow the science" was a mantra of authoritarians that did not allow any questioning of a hypothesis, even when evidence showed it to be wrong.  Covid became political and commercialized as well as vaccines in general anymore and as such don't expect any info about it to be in the sole interest of peoples wellbeing.  That doesn't enable or enrich.  I'm not an anti-vaccer so much as I have a distrust of people poisoning you by lobbying for approval despite side effects and then further profit from your illness.

That people want to do it again every year or so should lead to them being removed from power instead of ignored, a system cannot continue like this for very long.  Normalization of absurdity leads to escalation of it and pushback, escalation leads to conflict and that eventual collapse.

Part of the unknown with COVID was the mortality rate. COVID-19 was a SARS variant. which was about 10-15% fatal across all ages. Another lesser known coronavirus was MERS, which was about 40% fatal +/-5%. Coronoviruses can get absolutely brutal once they transfer over. The Marburg virus is 90% fatal, but nobody talks about that one either as it was much easier to contain due to not being airborne.

All that said, I can understand the initial cautions, but once it's seen to be relatively low rate of deaths and complications, we figure out how it spreads, the lockdowns should've never happened.

As far as COVID becoming commercialized, you knew damned well it was going to happen. The medical sector looks after their own and pharma companies saw easy money sowing fear.

Anyone that tells you to not question the science doesn't know how science works. It holds up to repeated scrutiny. My biggest issue is all the "Trust the science" or the "My view is right!" are running with what the talking heads tell them, be it highly paid TV talking heads or those on the back fringes of Parler. I have little patience for fear mongering sensationalists pushing narratives and cherry picking "truthers" peddling the latest conspitard theory that they change every five minutes so they can claim they're right when one comes out to be half right to the actual truth of the matter.

As far as it coming back every year.. well, you're decades behind as Pfizer and others are selling vaccines every year. I can see the point of them as the old, sick, and infirm may need them to help get through a season where an otherwise mild to moderate illness could kill them. Those folks will need to decide for themselves. As far as others, I think most should get the bare minimum vaccines. Polio, measles, mumps, rubella, typhus, hepatitis, tetanus, pertussis are a few of the ones we can easily treat or stop well before they start.

Sadly I don't think we'll truly ever eradicate a disease. We came close with Polio before people screwed that up. Humanity is capable of great things, sadly though we're also capable of really getting greedy and screwing everything up too.
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