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« on: July 27, 2006, 05:00:31 AM »
Ive heard a lot of people compare the 7.62x39 to the .30-30. In reality, it can certainly take deer size game within it's limitations, but the .30-30 shoots heavier bullets at slightly higher velocities. Realistically, an SKS will certainly take deer, but it has serious limitations in range.

I want to make a point that the sks, and more specifically, the 7.62x39 cartridge, is limited in what it can do. It will NOT drop a deer at 300+ yards, even 200 yards is really pushing it. Most of you already know this, but the way you talk about this cartridge could lead some unknowing sap to take a shot that he/she really shouldn't do. The unending comparisons to the .30-30 will probably just enfore that false belief among those who don't understand ballistics. The much revered .30-30 is a short range cartridge in itself, and the 7.62x39 is the same.

Yes, I'm up on the high horse right now, but I've seen too dang many deer that were left for dead because the shooter expected them to drop on the spot. That's just not gonna happen with your SKS, learn to blood trail 'em!

Okay, rant off... maybe I should have put this in the "Rant" category to begin with. Mods, do with it what you will, but people DO need to know what their rifle is capable of, and what it's limitations are.

This was started by a friends boyfriend... he honestly thinks that an AK will shoot through a tank, and kill deer as far as the eye can see. can you say "lost cause"?

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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2006, 07:25:07 AM »
Some balistics data.

Wolf                            7.62 x 39    122 GR   HP 2396FPS  1555FTLBS
Wolf                            7.62x39      154 GR.  SP  2104FPS  1513FTLBS
Cor-Bon                     7.62 X 39    150 GR. JSP 2300FPS  1762FTLBS
Remington Express  30-30 Win. 150 GR. SP 2,390FPS  1,902FTLBS
Winchester Super X  30-30 Win. 150 GR  PP  2,390FPS  1,902FTLBS

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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2006, 09:49:33 AM »
Good post in my opinion. The 7.62X39 is a good little short range Deer round, but like you said it has its range limitations. I have shot Deer with it that fell at the shot, more have ran off a little ways, never far. But this is usually the case with any Deer load. It can't be said enough, shot placement is the key. A poor shot is going to cause wounded Deer no mater what round you shoot it with.

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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2006, 11:03:43 AM »
Most hunters here (I'm not one) seem to think that 100 yards is a good rule of thumb with 200 yards being the limit.


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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2006, 10:04:45 AM »
For that matter, You shouldn't be taking shots with the 30-30 that are much over 100 yds either.

Sure there's times when the conditions are perfect and you have a standing shot/no wind  that a farther, say 150 yd shot is going to have a better chance of hitting the mark, that's a judement one has to make at the time. and one that I wouldn't make often.

Here in the midwest it's so woodsy, almost all your shots are under 100 yds. Even then, with an '06, I've sat in my stand with deer on the field and enjoyed watching for a while before getting the shot that I wanted.

It's another thing to be "out west" when you might see a big un standing across the canyon a 300 yds. There's no way I'd figure on an SKS/30-30 for that kind of outing.

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2006, 09:40:32 PM »
Now that I own a sks I feel no need to buy a 30-30. Is the 30-30 a little more powerful, yes, dose it shoot any more accurately? Donít know and donít really care. My sks shoots 3moa, not great but good enough. Why? Any deer out of 100yds equals no shot. I feel the same about the 30-30 round. If Iím hunting an area where the shots will be (know you hunting area) over 100yds Iíll take my .308 or 7mm mag. The 7.62x39 makes a good round for a brush gun and not much more.
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2006, 11:55:48 PM »
I prefer the sks for hunting, but I only use the bayo.

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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2006, 12:51:20 PM »
Well, i am glad that this was posted. I got on here looking just for this information. I am new to the sks, but not guns or hunting. My deer lease is in west Tx and its RARE that i would take a shot as close as 100 yards. We see more 200+ yard shots. Thanks for your rant lol

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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2006, 01:35:08 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2006, 03:06:30 PM »
I don't think I've ever heard anyone at this board say that a 7.62x39 is good for long range deer hunting.(300yrds) I have compared this round to the 30/30 only for the fact that they are both 30 caliber, and not know as long range rifles300yrds+, both similar weight bullet,but you are right the 30/30 can fire a little heavier bullet. In the 1950s the 30/30 was known as a high powered rifle. Today it is not. My pistol will shoot a 200grain bullet at 2200fps/2149lbs.
 
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The unending comparisons to the .30-30 will probably just enfore that false belief among those who don't understand ballistics.
I understand ballistics pretty good. I went to the guns&ammo ballistics charts. Those charts say that a 7.62x39 with 150grain bullet has 2300fps/1762lbs at the muzzle. The 7.62 had only one listing for 150gr and 30/30 had 7 listings for 150gr so I did some math and averaged the bullet speed, energy, and trajectory of all the 150 grain 30/30WIN. The 30/30 has 2353fps/1827lbs at the muzzle. To me that is pretty comparable to the 7.62 at 2300fps/1762lbs, but guess what I found when I looked at the trajectory, The 7.62 is flater shooting with the same bullet weight of 150gr. The 7.62 at 300yrds is -13.9" and -86.3" at 500yrds. The average of 30/30(150gr.) is -16.8" at 300yrds and -113" at 500yrds. So if you want to go by whats on paper guns&ammo ballistic charts says that 7.62x39 is better than 30/30win for longer shots with the same size bullet, the 30/30 does have heavier bullets but 7.62 has pointed bullets(both can make a difference down range). At 300yards the 7.62x39 is 1609fps/863lbs, the best 30/30 out of all seven 150gr listed is 1267fps/727lbs at 300yards. I'm not trying to say eighther is better but I think I have proven that they are at least comparable. You can check my math if you like.    http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ballistics/

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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2006, 04:46:29 PM »
That makes sense 88tc. The 30-30 typically uses FN bullets which slow down much quicker then the pointed type used in the 7.62X39.

I guess out of the gate the 30-30 would have the slight advantage but is then surpassed downrange by the 7.62X39.
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2006, 02:10:21 PM »
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That makes sense 88tc. The 30-30 typically uses FN bullets which slow down much quicker then the pointed type used in the 7.62X39.
I guess out of the gate the 30-30 would have the slight advantage but is then surpassed downrange by the 7.62X39
Exactly, the 30/30 bullet design is ballistically inferior, with the exception of terminal ballistics. Although with Hornady's new Leverevolution 30/30 bullet design, down range peformance is greatly improved and probably surpases the performance of the 7.62x39, but most people that shoot 30/30 are not using these bullets with pointed tips. There are so many variables and thats why I won't say that one is better than the other, But they are comparable.

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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2006, 01:21:05 PM »
i hit a deer at around 120 yards with a wolf HP outa my Norinco SKS and droped it........

i also have a wincester 30-30 its gota 3-9 scope on it and its alot more accurate they do about the same IMHO

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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2006, 07:25:42 AM »
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i hit a deer at around 120 yards with a wolf HP outa my Norinco SKS and droped it........

i also have a wincester 30-30 its gota 3-9 scope on it and its alot more accurate they do about the same IMHO


I know of PLENTY of people in GA who hunt with SKS's and Mini-30's.

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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2006, 07:52:13 AM »
The x39 is more powerful than a 30-30 at ranges beyond 110 yards because the 30-30 uses round nose bullets that lose energy quickly.  I have done chrono testing to verify this fact.  

The only way the 30 would have an advantage over 110 yards is if you had some HOT handloads.
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