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9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« on: October 21, 2007, 09:57:47 PM »
I'm starting to shop for pistols.  In particular I've been eyeballing some of the milsurp C&R's in 9mm Mak (9x18).  What's everyone's opinion of that round vs. the 9mm Luger round?  In particular:

-Availability
-Price
-Milsurp or New Production

My objective for my first pistol is for a recreational shooter.  Worst case scenario it would be a personal protection gun if the need would ever arise, but that's not my primary objective.

It seems like for the most part, I can get into the 9mm Mak pistols themselves for a bit less money up front, although I'll be honest and I haven't done a complete search yet.  It also appears that ammo is roughly the same price in bulk on the internet, but haven't done an exhaustive search on that either.

Thanks!
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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 10:08:57 PM »
I would go with the 9mm luger over the 9x18.  There is so much good 9mm luger ammo, at really good prices.

I just went to Cabelas, and looked up Sellier and Bellot, which my favorite 9mm luger.  7.99 a box.

It is 13.99 a box for 9mm makarov and the bullet is 20 grains lighter. 

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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2007, 10:15:57 PM »
Thanks for the info OP.  How's everything going out West?
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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2007, 10:22:45 PM »
Way cool.  Things went really well today (Sunday).  I'll PM you about some of it.

I think that for availability and price the 9mm luger is the way to go.  It is available in wolf bulk if you want it that way.  I bought a bunch of S & B through Cabelas.  I do have some Remington HP for self defense.  Mostly I use it for plinking.  But also I want to have it when I am calling in coyotes, because you never know what might show up when you are calling.  I live in Mountain lion country.

One thing that I like about S & B besides price, brass cases, they seal their boxer primers.  None of the rest of the 9mm that I have bought seal their primers.

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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2007, 10:25:44 PM »
I agree.  9mm parabellum is SO much easier to find, and cheaper too.  More powerful, more options in self defense loads, etc.  If it's a choice between 9mm Makarov and 9mm Luger/parabellum, go with the latter.

This isn't to say that 9x18 is a poor choice.  I carried one for years, but now in retrospect I like something a little more powerful (I carry a .45acp).  9mm Makarov is virtually identical to .380acp.  I never had a problem finding Makarov ammo, but it's much easier to find 9x19 than 9x18.

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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2007, 10:42:37 PM »
Good info guys, thanks!  So now I just need to start figuring out which pistol to get.  A nice answer would be a Luger...but not exactly a cheap entry pistol!
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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 11:08:01 PM »
Hi-point C9.  It was my first 9mm and I love it.  It is heavy, but ever time that I pull the trigger it goes bang.  US made, and lifetime warranty.  If it breaks, you send it to them, they upgrade it and send you a new magazine for it.

I got mine for 151.71 out the door, that was with the background check, box of ammo and a cleaning kit.



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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2007, 11:22:13 PM »
Hmm...very nice...starting to wet my appetite!  Going bang reliably every time is important to me.  There's a gun show coming up around here the 11/12 of Novemenber...need to get my shopping list ready!

Would like to get a inexpensive pistol (probably in 9mm luger), and would like to find a 10/22 as well.  Even though the sks is fairly "cheap" as far as ammo and upkeep goes, you can never beat the .22 LR in price!
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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2007, 11:23:38 PM »
Ammunition to go has mak ammo for 7.75 a box.

9mm is a better choice, you can get it at the store, more powerful, more choices. For a few bucks more you can get a new pistol in 9mm instead of a surplus in mak. I do like my pa-63, and carry it almost every day, but it wouldn't be my first choice now.

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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2007, 11:23:53 PM »
I've got 2 norinco 213's. I enjoy them, but don't need two. One $160, the other $200 and in very nice condition. Doesn't matter to me which I keep. If you are interested. I'm not really looking to sell, but like I said, I really don't need two.

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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2007, 11:34:38 PM »
Steve-
  Will do a little research, since I know nothing about the Norinco 213's.  Will PM you if I'm interested.  Thanks for the offer!
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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2007, 12:20:42 AM »
Hi-point also makes a nice 9mm carbine (995).  So you buy one kind of ammo and get to feed two guns.

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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2007, 12:33:54 AM »

I'd have to go with the 9mm Parabellum round as well.  It's available everywhere, and cheaper to boot.  If you are looking into a recreational shooter, and aslo like the milsurp category, Aim Surplus has WWII 9mm Star B pistols for a great price.  They look like they are Browning Hi-Power copies.  Follow the link for more info:

www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/WWII_Star_B_9mm_Pistol.html

I was debating on whether to break down and buy one of these myself.

ETA:  Sorry, I'm an idiot....I meant to say they looked like a 1911 frame.
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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2007, 12:53:13 AM »
Had seen those when I ordered some ammo from AIM a few weeks ago.  That's partly what sparked my questions.  Saw that at the CZ's they and some other places have.
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Re: 9x18 vs. 9mm Luger
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2007, 12:54:46 AM »
Had seen those when I ordered some ammo from AIM a few weeks ago.  That's partly what sparked my questions.  Saw that at the CZ's they and some other places have.

I saw those too.  I like the look of the Star B's better than the CZ's.
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