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galahad

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Cosmoline Removal
« on: November 02, 2005, 11:56:02 AM »
NOTE:  This process is my own personal opinion based upon the cleaning of dozens of cosmoline coated military surplus rifles.  It's not "official board recommendations".  I will add to it or make changes based upon comments and suggestions but in most cases only after trying them myself. 

CLEANING COSMOLINE FROM YOUR SKS

The most important task relative to Cosmoline cleaning is to memorize and then continue to repeat to yourself, "Cosmoline is my friend", remembering that this substance is why your new rifle is not a pile of rust and rotted wood.

Then, equally important, is to adopt the concept of “reversing the cosmoline application process.  If you have any desire to put the military surplus rifle back into the exact condition it was in before being dipped in hot cosmoline you will avoid harsh chemicals and water.  NEITHER OF THESE THINGS ARE APPROPRIATE.  What is appropriate is the slow and consistent application of the same level of heat that was used to melt the cosmoline into the wood in the first place.  Cosmoline can be dipped or brushed onto the firearm at temperatures between 140 and 160 degrees F.  While it can be dipped into hotter melts it’s not necessary and is done, generally, to allow more firearms to be dipped without cooling the liquid.  So, keep in mind that cosmoline melts at about 130 degrees F and the temperature that’s the best, the most gentle, and the least invasive to remove it is about 150 degrees F.  Resist the urge to use higher temperatures as you want to melt the stuff not cook it.  If you cook it you run the risk of cooking the oils out, leaving a crusty residue. 

Cosmoline is much like Vaseline, both are petroleum-based products, and both are non-toxic (unless consumed). There are many, many simple solvents that will help you in your efforts but I believe that the two friendliest are mineral spirits (paint thinner) and aerosol brake cleaner. Brake cleaner is generally less expensive than carburetor cleaner because it doesn't have the chemicals in it designed to remove the shellac deposits from a carburetor, which also, according to many people, can damage not only the stock finish but also the bluing. And it's getting a bit rarer as well because automotive fuel injection has reduced the amount of airborne fuel that used to be deposited on metal carburetor surfaces.

So, before I got too involved I'd head over to the nearby Pep Boys and pick up a case of brake cleaner at about $1.00 a can.  This will be enough to handle this first SKS and the next few that you will find tend to migrate towards the ones that have already been cleaned.  Then head over to the local paint store for a half gallon of Mineral Spirits, another couple of dollars.  And if you don't have a bunch of rags you might pick up a few at Pep Boys when you are there.  You can wash them but if you use the mineral spirits never put them in a dryer as the fumes can be extremely flammable.  Just let them air dry.

Ok, your indispensable site for disassembly and re-assembly is www.surplusrifle.com. Jamie over there is my single favorite source for good, solid information about all my milsurp rifles.  The specific URL you need is: http://www.surplusrifle.com/sks/index.asp  Figure that the first time you disassemble your SKS you're going to have cosmoline all over your hands and anything in the general vicinity.   Lots of rags are essential.

As you take things apart, put them in a bucket or paint roller tray with a couple of inches of mineral spirits in the bottom.  A toothbrush is essential to your success as well, and cotton swabs come in extremely handy for lots of hard to reach areas.  I also have a 1” paint brush with natural bristles that can get into some pretty tiny areas.   If domestic tranquility is not an issue, an alternative to this method is to cook up a batch of soapy water, even to boiling, and use that to "wash" the cosmoline off the small parts.  It works equally well as the mineral spirits, is "free", and only imparts a gentle aroma of cosmoline to the home. 

Once it's in its "field strip" condition you're half way done.  I believe that it's absolutely essential that the bolt be disassembled.  I believe that because I've had a couple of them that were "evidently" clean inside and that rattled nicely, but when disassembled there were significant amounts of rust and cosmoline.  My guess is that moisture can get trapped in there and the Cosmoline keeps it from escaping.  So, in my opinion, a nice clear, clean "click" is only a good indicator that the firing pin is clear and the only sure way to confirm it is a complete disassembly.

The metal parts are simply a matter of brushing, spraying, brushing, spraying, and then doing it again.  There is nothing wrong with tossing them in the oven with the stock (see below) propping the trigger guard on edge so material will flow out and otherwise putting parts and pieces on rags so the cosmoline will run into the rags.  Brake cleaner down the bore will get out a goodly amount of Cosmoline and a standard cleaning with normal gun cleaner stuff (Hoppes, etc.) will take care of the rest.  I think it's impossible to clean enough to get a completely clean patch through the bore of a Yugo as the bore is not chrome plated and the various gun solvents will turn a bit black simply from contact with a clean bore.  Lots of brake cleaner sprayed into the trigger group will do a good job of flushing it out.  Same thing with all the other bits and pieces. 

The stock is a different matter.  Water and harsh chemicals are simply poor choices for cleaning wood.  Chemical companies have been working for many years to develop cleaners for wood, only a few of which are water based.  Murphy’s Oil Soap is one such product that can be used in reasonable quantities on wood.  The heavy duty “green” and “orange” cleaners are simply not appropriate for cleaning wood stocks.  They contain harsh chemicals that are absolutely not necessary for cleaning cosmoline.  So if your objective is to do nothing damaging to the wood while simultaneously removing the cosmoline, do NOT use any water based cleaners and avoid “grease cutters” like oven cleaners.  They are extremely harsh chemicals (like, why else are you supposed to wear gloves if they aren’t harsh?) and are NOT GOOD FOR WOOD.

So, let’s explore the correct way to remove cosmoline.  As mentioned above, gentle heat is by far the best way to liquefy and remove cosmoline.  If your oven is big enough you can put it in there at "warm" (lowest possible oven setting) and it will bleed the cosmo out from the pores of the wood.  Be sure to preheat the oven before putting the stock in it as even on the warm setting the element gets very hot initially, hot enough to burn the wood.  Wipe it down every 15 minutes with old toweling until the weeping has stopped.  If that won't work due to size or domestic issues you can put it outside in a plastic bag, some people like black because it absorbs the heat of the sun better and some prefer clear because they opine that the direct sunshine generates more heat.  This will take a little longer but it's important that whenever it starts to cool down that the stock be removed and wiped dry.  I kind of like the creativity of the "dashboard" process which is a sheet of tinfoil bent up to hold liquefied Cosmoline and set on the dashboard of your vehicle.  I haven't done it but it sounds like a great plan to me if you have a place where you can do it without tempting someone to “borrow” your stock.   The latest method is a wrap in rags, VERY tightly sealed in a plastic bag, and a bath in the hottest water you can get.  Haven’t tried that one but it sounds pretty reasonable to me.  Word has it that you can add boiling water from your stove to the hot water from your heater and get pretty satisfactory results.

Word of warning - When baking your stock make absolutely sure that it's positioned in a way that will keep it from close proximity to the coil.  I understand that modern gas ranges have plates above the burner so they should be fine as well.  Note:  If you are using a rag to remove the stock and/or handguard from the oven, and the element is in the heating mode, if the rag touches the element it WILL begin to smolder, virtually immediately.    :oops:



The point is, GENTLE heat will melt cosmoline away from both wood and metal with NO ADVERSE AFFECTS on either the wood or the blued or bright metal. 

Odds and ends – An area some people neglect is the Yugo M59/66 gas valve.  Make sure that there isn't a lot of carbon on the valve and also clear the port into the barrel.  Since the problem in this area is carbon the best method is "scraping" with a port cleaner or even a drill bit that's just a bit smaller diameter than the port.  The carbon will "flake" or "chip" off and likely fall into the barrel so make sure that the last thing you do is a standard cleaning with solvent and patches to clear any carbon debris.

It’s also a good idea to keep ANY solvents or cosmoline out of your drains.  They are petroleum based and float on water.  This means that they are not going to flow easily through the traps and are likely to gum up and/or clog drains.  Everybody has to figure out the best disposal method in their particular circumstances. 

So, that’s about it.  If you want to put your milsurp rifle back into the condition it was in prior to going into storage, be patient, be gentle, and be thorough.  You will ultimately be very, very glad you took the time to do it right, the first time.  And if you are going to refinish you will not be disappointed by having the cosmoline seep up into and/or through your finish of choice.



I have just discovered yet another way to remove cosmoline.  Shoot the rifle while the stock is still saturated.  That will bring lots of it out.  Let it dry, then shoot it again, and again, and again.  The result will be a bricklike substance that is virtually impossible to remove so you then sell the stock to some fool who will spend all day trying to get both the rock hard cosmoline off and then bake out the rest. 
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2006, 05:56:31 PM »
Almost boiling water works pretty well to clean cosmoline off of metal.  Just crank up your water heater to 180 and the cosmoline melts right off. :)  Just wear gloves doing this, and remember to turn down the hot water heater when you're done with cosmoline removal, (field strip works fine).

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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2006, 12:42:20 AM »
Quote from: bumpfire
Almost boiling water works pretty well to clean cosmoline off of metal.  Just crank up your water heater to 180 and the cosmoline melts right off. :)  Just wear gloves doing this, and remember to turn down the hot water heater when you're done with cosmoline removal, (field strip works fine).
Heck, I think you're making it hard on yourself.  I just take the biggest pot the wife has, fill it 3/4 full of hot water, put it on the stove, add about six drops of liquid soap, and bring that sucker to a boil.  The metal parts, trigger, springs, anything without wood on it, goes into the pot.  You do need tongs to get the parts out but they dry really fast and if you oil 'em up as soon as they cool down there won't be any rust.  

I also add a little soap at the end and simmer it for a few minutes to cut the oils in the cosmoline before I dump the dirty water down the drain.  I know it's not great for the sewage treatment plant but the oils have pretty much been neutralized by the soap so my conscience is only a little bit offended.


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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2006, 11:44:42 AM »
Water and wood are NOT compatible.  I strongly urge people to avoid the use of water (at any temperature) on wood.


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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2006, 02:58:03 PM »
We made a trash can cosmo melter.  3 100w light bulbs mounted in light boxes inside -- bakes the stuff out wonderfully.  (Just like the tutorial on surplusrifle.com)...

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2006, 03:03:14 PM »
boiling or extremely warm water is THE BEST way to get cosmo off metal parts with little or no effort and is completely safe to the components.  the metal is hot enough from the water that when removed, it's warm enough to evaporate all moisture from itself.

the hot water at my house is hot enough to clean cosmo and dry itself.

heck, when i got my makarov, i took off the plastic grips and boiled the whole thing :) .

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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2006, 05:28:57 PM »
Halogen lamps do the trick or me. Mind you ,I keep a close watch on this.
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Re: Cosmoline Removal
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2006, 08:37:16 PM »
Why ??? I will never understand   :evil: Never ever use water on wood.....ever wonder why they have coasters for your drinks ? Heat is the only acceptable method for removing cosmoline -grease from the stock. Water does however have a use in a very limited use in a way to raise dents and dings in the form of steam and is used in a very localised area. Posts recomending cleaning wood surplus rifle stocks in a dishwasher should be banned and deleted.

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« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2006, 08:37:04 PM »
Why ??? I will never understand   :evil: Never ever use water on wood.....ever wonder why they have coasters for your drinks ? Heat is the only acceptable method for removing cosmoline -grease from the stock. Water does however have a use in a very limited use in a way to raise dents and dings in the form of steam and is used in a very localised area. Posts recomending cleaning wood surplus rifle stocks in a dishwasher should be banned and deleted.
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Re: Cosmoline Removal
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2006, 08:51:36 PM »
 I have used slow heat and mineral spirits with a brush on several stocks with good results.
 Oven cleaners and water are not something I would consider using on a stock IMHO.

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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2007, 05:31:34 PM »
Ouch, not oven cleaner again. :shock: I promise I won't fuss at folks who say they use oven cleaner on wood anymore . Ok I lied.
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Re: Cosmoline Removal
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2007, 05:54:03 PM »
Ouch, not oven cleaner again. :shock: I promise I won't fuss at folks who say they use oven cleaner on wood anymore . Ok I lied.
Yea, me too.  If somebody wants to use harsh chemicals on wood that break down the fibers then, well, it's their rifle.


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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2007, 08:39:55 PM »
Here is my latest brainstorm for cleaning up a Yugo M59/66.

WD40
Wiped off the stock with WD40 to remove the excessive cosmoline.  Then took a heat gun to sweat the cosmoline out off the wood grain. Then a few coats of Casey birchwood stock wax. This worked well on the last two stocks I cleaned up.  I have no intention of refinishing these.

HYDRO-SEAL
My last clean up job on a Yugo M59/66 which was by far the most cosmo'd up one I have ever had. I tried "Hydro-seal" which is a automotive parts cleaner. I used it in the past to clean carburetor's. This stuff dissolved the cosmo pretty quick.
Soaked it in a PVC tube setup for about 15 minutes, one good scrub with a brush, dried it with compressed air, then wiped it down with a clean rag. When finished the metal had a nice slick almost waxed feel to it.

Am I Nuts  :dontknow:

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Re: Cosmoline Removal
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2007, 06:44:30 PM »
Am I Nuts  :dontknow:
No, but the chemical solutions probably aren't removing the cosmoline that is soaked into the wood.  When it gets hot this summer put one of the rifles in the direct sun for a while and see if it's still sweating.  My bet is that it will.


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Re: Cosmoline Removal
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2007, 08:51:36 PM »
Well its winter here in Ohio, so when I was in the garage I held my M38 mosin stock in front of my Reddy Heater. The cosmo bubbled to the top and I wiped it up, then repeated. got the cosmo out and it looks good too!
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