91/30 Accuracy

[semperfi]

I have heard that to get the most accuracy from your 91/30 you should shoot with the bayonet attached. Why would that matter ? I am coming down with Mosinitis and need to learn as much as I can. I have already  heard about sticky bolt problems/solutions , headspacing a mismatched bolt assembly , cleaning corrosives , and the hellacious recoil , but are there any other nasty little secrets these rifles are known for? I would also like to do some deer hunting with one and have heard about the Barnaul hunting ammo, any opinions welcomed....thanks

[chainsaw]

mine shoots about a foot high at 100 yrds.I think the front sight has been filed or something.Other than that,it shoots consistent.Probably 4'' groups at 100 with the open sights,just a foot high or so.

[BillyBang]

Well, I'm a relatively newcomer to MN's
but the guy I bought my M44 from said:
 "if you have the bayo extended, it really thows the accuracy off".
I suppose the muzzle blast hits it?

Also, I think the safetys are harder than most kinds to turn them to the "off" position.

BB

[chainsaw]

Yea,I really don't like the safety either.Too damn hard to pull and turn it with cold fingers.

[Zer0DazE]

Well, I'm a relatively newcomer to MN's
but the guy I bought my M44 from said:
 "if you have the bayo extended, it really thows the accuracy off".
I suppose the muzzle blast hits it?

Also, I think the safetys are harder than most kinds to turn them to the "off" position.

BB

M44s were sighted in with the bayos extended.  I guess the Russians figured after 5 shots you could toss it like a spear

[semperfi]

I can see the M44's with their attached bayo's ,but why the 91/30's?  I 'm not real worried about the safety, I don't ever depend on one anyway.

[Blakeman]

I can see the M44's with their attached bayo's ,but why the 91/30's?  I 'm not real worried about the safety, I don't ever depend on one anyway.

According to what I read they never took the bayonets off of the 91/30s once they put them on. Only on rare occasions in certain vehicles/aircraft or something. This is why the bayonets were often numbered I think.

[Lead Slinger]

Okay, I've been reading posts on here for some time about how the bayonet affects the accuracy of the Mosins.  Most have said that the gun will shoot better with the bayo out.  Today, I put 60 rounds through my M44.  I would shoot 5 rounds with the bayo in and then 5 with it extended.  At 25 yards with the bayo extended, the rounds went 1.5 inches to the left of the 5 rounds with in folded in.  At 50 yards my groups were smaller with the bayo in.  At 100 yards with the bayo extended, I wouldn't say I even had a group.  My gun definitely shoots better with the bayo in.  I still don't understand how the bayo makes a difference, but it does.  Of course, all rounds shot high out of my gun which I understand is normal for a mosin.  About 3" high at 25 yards, 6" at 50, and around 8" at 100 yards.    Just my 2 cents.

[longspring]

 Just a note: The 91/30 bayo and the 44 bayos are of different sizes , config , and weight . I think that they are two different beasts , and should be treated that way and not lumped into one group .

 

Today, I put 60 rounds through my M44.  I would shoot 5 rounds with the bayo in and then 5 with it extended.  At 25 yards with the bayo extended, the rounds went 1.5 inches to the left of the 5 rounds with in folded in.  At 50 yards my groups were smaller with the bayo in.  At 100 yards with the bayo extended, I wouldn't say I even had a group.  My gun definitely shoots better with the bayo in.  I still don't understand how the bayo makes a difference, but it does.

 I've heard some mosinuts claim barrel flex has alot to do with it .

[Lead Slinger]

I guess not all guns are the same even if they are the same model.  It seems like most people on here say the 91/30's are more accurate than the M44 or M38.  One guy I talked to at the range today said his M38 is far more accurate than his 91/30.  I was going to buy a 91/30, but I think I'm just going to play with my M44 until I get it shooting the way I want to. 

[Nick_Fury]

I think a lot of the variation that you see in M38's, M44's and 91/30's is due to the condition of the bores.  All things being equal, the 91/30's should be more accurate, but if the bore on the 91/30 is in poor condition (which a lot of them are) then that would explain the variation in accuracy.

Personally, If I can get 2 MOA from a 91/30, I'm more than satisfied.  I usually end up with 4-6 MOA.

[cal50]

I have a 1925 91/30 Russian that I mounted a PU scope to. With Czech silvertip ammo it will hold a 2" / 5 shot group at 100 yards.
REALLY impressive and amazing to many that never fired a Mosin.

I am looking for a like condition 91/30 to build a PE sniper on.

[rcbif]

mine shoots about a foot high at 100 yrds.I think the front sight has been filed or something.Other than that,it shoots consistent.Probably 4'' groups at 100 with the open sights,just a foot high or so.

I dont think your sight has been filed. Mine shoots a foot hight at a hundred too. I made a sleve to fit over the sight that is a bit higher so next trip to the range I'll file it till i get dead center.

[chainsaw]

Interesting...what did you make the "sleeve"out of?I would like to get a scope for mine,but I want to put on an original scope and mount,not an after market jobber.Kind of expensive though.

[Nick_Fury]

Interesting...what did you make the "sleeve"out of?I would like to get a scope for mine,but I want to put on an original scope and mount,not an after market jobber.Kind of expensive though.

You can make a sleeve out of a lot of things.  A couple of materials that come to mind are the heavy duty heat shrink tubing, or the small diameter copper tubing that will slide over the front site.  You can even pinch the copper tubing flat to make a crude but serviceable blade sight.