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Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« on: November 03, 2009, 03:27:52 PM »
This is the cheapest I've seen these kits in years:

PSL Parts Kit: http://www.centerfiresystems.com/romanian762x54rreplacementpartssetpartdrakit.aspx
PSL Receiver: http://www.centerfiresystems.com/DRAREC.aspx

Note that compliance parts are not typically required for these . . . just add a Tapco G2!

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 04:30:32 PM »
Pretty good deal if you are a builder type.

Centerfire is out of stock on the receivers.  These are not bad from TGI.., a bit more $$ but more complete.

http://www.tnguns.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=58&products_id=451

And if you want to add standard AKM buttstock furniture this NDS receiver made for TGI is pretty sweet.

http://www.tnguns.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=58&products_id=458
« Last Edit: November 03, 2009, 04:40:37 PM by AKBLUE »

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 04:46:53 PM »
Centerfire's receivers did not have the rear trunnion, whereas TGI's do . . . which seems to explain the cost differential.

I didn't know NoDakSpud was building PSL receivers.  However, building a PSL with a standard AK stock and pistol grip is likely to trigger 922(r) and the need for compliance parts . . . at least that's MHO.

The availability of compliance parts might be an issue:  16 - 6 = 10, where the six compliance parts would be:  Receiver, FCG (3), US-made buttstock, and PG.  Alternatively, one could substitute a custom made gas piston or muzzle brake for the buttstock.  YMMV.

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 05:00:34 PM »
I didn't see a trigger group in the parts kit. Are those offered elsewhere?
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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 05:09:41 PM »
I didn't see a trigger group in the parts kit. Are those offered elsewhere?

It's shown on the second "detailed photos" page: http://www.centerfiresystems.com/images/products/detail/DRAKIT_fulllength_partsD.jpg

However, despite not being a FA rifle, the original receiver did have the infamous "third hole" for the safety sear.  My personal opinion is that the whole FCG should be replaced (for legal reasons).  Tapco G2 or RSA FCG's drop right in.

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 05:17:45 PM »
And if you want to add standard AKM buttstock furniture this NDS receiver made for TGI is pretty sweet.

http://www.tnguns.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=58&products_id=458

I looked on the NoDakSpud web site, and they don't show a PSL receiver.  Perhaps it's something they're doing exclusively for TGI.  Since Romanian receivers are getting somewhat harder to come by, NoDakSpud's may be a viable alternative for builders with the ability to hollow out the back of the receiver.

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 06:11:20 PM »
Yes DCI/Nodak built the PSL/FPK receivers for TGI but do not offer them for direct sale at present AFAIK.  They may if you ask Harlan.  He sometimes has and does things not listed on the site.  The 922r on a PSL is kinda sketchy when you start modifying it AFAIK.  Thought a bit about shortening the barrel to 16 inches +/-and using a conventional buttstock and pistol grip.  Maybe. :lol:

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2009, 06:26:25 PM »
The 922r on a PSL is kinda sketchy when you start modifying it AFAIK.

As far as I know ATF doesn't differentiate between "AK style rifles".  That being the case, a PSL will require compliance parts if you build with any of the non-importable features (separate pistol grip, folding or telescoping stock, bayonet mount, threaded muzzle, or high cap mag).

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2009, 06:42:15 PM »
+1..,  but compliance is not that difficult.  FCG, US furniture for grip & buttstock & US receiver.., good to go.,  and/or as you noted fab a gas piston or use a US muzzle device.  Just for something different.  After you already have a few the variety is welcome.  Started a few milled AK builds or I might have jumped this already.

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2009, 07:40:38 PM »
Is this really that great of a deal when you can get a built one with a scope, 2 mags and bayo lug for $600?  Consider $130 on the receiver and you're already at $430... add a POSP for $100 and you're at $530.  Consider compliance parts and you've got $600 in the gun.  Of course I understand that some people want to build their own (for various reasons, but which may include potentially shoddy quality in a Century-built rifle), and I also understand that these kits are priced well compared to historical prices.... but is this really economical overall?

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/rifles/ak-47-and-rpk-rifles/p/romanian-psl-54c-sniper-rifle-7-62x54r-with-4x-scope-/cPath/209_214/products_id/2392?osCsid=4ced1091b2717eb66216906402c03fad

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2009, 08:25:37 PM »
Quote from: AIM Surplus
New Romanian Cugir manufactured model PSL-54C semi-automatic 7.62x54R rifles. Includes LPS TIP2 scope and mount, 2-10rd magazines, magazine pouch, field cleaning kit, and optic case. Price: $579.95

but is this really economical overall?

Building kits is hardly ever about getting a rifle cheaper than you can buy an assembled one for . . . $300 kit + $100 Centerfire receiver + $125 4 Mags & pouch + $100 scope + $25 FCG = $650, which is not nearly as out of line as they were when the kits were $400 . . .  

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009, 09:24:32 PM »
badgerbadger,
You are right about the basic economics.  But the hobby and pride of self-assembly is pretty nice and a value added for some folks.  If I bought one of these recent kits I would do a one-off shorty type AK style 7.62X54 rifle with conventional stock and pistol grip.  Just fdor the heck of it and because a high-power AK style rifle always appealed to me.  I alreadt own a PSL rifle in stock form.
But if someone wants a PSL the retail prices right now are very attractice and the $12 mags at Apex are the best price in forever as well.

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2009, 12:54:31 PM »
I've built a half dozen of these and have several points to note (some are repeats from above posts):

First, building these in stock configuration doesn't require compliance parts, since they are legal to import. However, despite not being a FA rifle, the OE receiver does have the infamous "third hole" for the "safety sear". My personal opinion is that the whole FCG should be replaced for legal reasons. Tapco G2 or RSA FCG's drop right in. . . . better safe than sorry.

Second, building a PSL with a standard AK stock and pistol grip is likely to trigger 922(r) and the need for compliance parts . . . at least that's MHO. The availability of compliance parts might be an issue: 16 - 6 = 10, where the six compliance parts would be: Receiver, FCG (3), US-made buttstock, and PG. Alternatively, one could substitute a custom made gas piston or muzzle brake for the buttstock. Note that there is a fair amount of debate around this issue, so YMMV.

Third, as far as I can tell all the recent PSL's sold have have pin-on or welded breaks. So for the 922(r) reasons cited above, it would be prudent to solder or weld the muzzle break if you're not intending to add the full set of compliance parts.

Fourth, the PSL has a ring of metal at the breech. On the Mauser M48 the ring is called a "safety breach". I'm not sure what it's called on the PSL. In any event, it's fragile . . . pushing the barrel using only pennies or copper washers could damage it. I made up a special brass cylinder so I could push the barrel without touching the ring.

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2009, 10:19:01 AM »
Thanks for the replies, guys.  I don't think I am up for building one myself; although it'd be a nice thing to have under my belt, it's something I don't have the time, tools or knowledge to do right now.  I have a couple of AK kits put aside that I want to try to build at one point, preferably with a lot of assistance at a build party or something.  Since fully Romanian-manufactured PSL's are available pretty cheaply, I think I will probably pass on these kits.

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Re: Screaming Deal: $299 PSL Parts Kits.
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2009, 08:55:57 AM »
Quote from: Centerfire Systems
Sorry, these kits do not come with the BHO parts.

Thank you,

Centerfire Systems

Quote from: TGI
We do not have those parts available. Some of the kits had them and some did not. Thanks,

TG International

I'm told that the latest crop of kits do not come with BHO's.

Larry
« Last Edit: December 01, 2009, 11:35:15 AM by LESchwartz »
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