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Tula dragoon era M91/30
« on: September 02, 2010, 08:34:14 PM »
Is this rifle worth $150 or would you buy the Izzy for $120? Classic Arms deals.
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Re: Tula dragoon era M91/30
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2010, 09:43:54 PM »
They are both ex-dragoons correct?

Buy it based on condition. The quality is pretty much the same, theres no real difference.
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Re: Tula dragoon era M91/30
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2010, 12:10:47 AM »
 I paid up for one, at Dunhams last week.  It was a Hex 1932 Tula in really nice condition, looks new to me.

    With two Leather double ammo cases, cleaning kit. bayonet, Russian wide sling, oil can, Manual. for $89.00   

   mint in the box.

   Now I have three of them all diferent types. the last two I paid $69.00 a piece. same deal as above.

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Re: Tula dragoon era M91/30
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2010, 11:25:50 AM »
I paid up for one, at Dunhams last week.  It was a Hex 1932 Tula in really nice condition, looks new to me.

    With two Leather double ammo cases, cleaning kit. bayonet, Russian wide sling, oil can, Manual. for $89.00   

   mint in the box.

   Now I have three of them all diferent types. the last two I paid $69.00 a piece. same deal as above.
I know about the prices you state but I don't beleive you are talking about Dragoon Era models at those prices.

My main question is the Tula Dragoon Era rifle more collectable than the Izzy Dragoon Era rifle?  I understand the quality is the same.
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Re: Tula dragoon era M91/30
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2010, 11:37:19 AM »
I suspect the Tula would be of slightly (very slightly) higher value than a comparable Izhevsk.  I'm not finding numbers for Dragoon configuration Mosins for the seperate armories.  In most cases, the Izhevsk factory produced more Mosins of a given configuration than Tula.

Whether its worth the extra $30, only you can decide.

A more important question is are these true Dragoon configuration Mosins or ex-Dragoon 91/30s?  If they are in Dragoon configuration, I'd buy 'em both. :lol:

http://www.mosinnagant.net/ussr/RussianSovietMosinNagantNumbers.asp

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Re: Tula dragoon era M91/30
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2010, 03:24:15 PM »
I suspect the Tula would be of slightly (very slightly) higher value than a comparable Izhevsk.  I'm not finding numbers for Dragoon configuration Mosins for the seperate armories.  In most cases, the Izhevsk factory produced more Mosins of a given configuration than Tula.

Whether its worth the extra $30, only you can decide.

A more important question is are these true Dragoon configuration Mosins or ex-Dragoon 91/30s?  If they are in Dragoon configuration, I'd buy 'em both. :lol:

http://www.mosinnagant.net/ussr/RussianSovietMosinNagantNumbers.asp

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRarity.htm

I believe they are ex-Dragoon 91/30's.

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Re: Tula dragoon era M91/30
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2010, 04:24:44 PM »
The Tulas are more sought after, with Finns being top of the list for the adjustable sights.  I have a '25 Izzy, and gave $120 for it.  He was originally asking $149. 
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Re: Tula dragoon era M91/30
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2010, 07:22:53 PM »
What is a Dragoon?

     And what is an EX- Dragoon?

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Re: Tula dragoon era M91/30
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2010, 11:04:38 PM »
Dragoons were made for mounted infantry,ex-dragoon are those converted to 91/30's(Nagants updated in 1930). I believe that is right.
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Re: Tula dragoon era M91/30
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2010, 12:09:27 AM »
Dragoons were made for mounted infantry,ex-dragoon are those converted to 91/30's(Nagants updated in 1930). I believe that is right.

Absolutely correct.  In 1930, all MN were refitted with the updated sights rated in meters instead of arshins(the length of a soldier's stride). 
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Re: Tula dragoon era M91/30
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2010, 11:25:25 PM »
Yep I found a 1921 Izzy Mosin-Nagant. It was "updated" in 1930 losing its rear sight leaf in arshins, extended upper handguard, and barrel bands for their current 91/30 configuration. In the late 1940's they packed it away in cosmoline and stored it where it sat for 50 years. R-Guns bought a HUGE consignment of M-N's and I got mine in 2007 directly from a 20 rifle crate they sent to a dealer here locally in Sandusky.

The cost? Rifle, cosmo removal, gunsmith inspection, non matching bayo, the two pouch kit including all the tools 2 headed oiler, and two complimentary stripper clips ... $79.99 out the door. Now if only I could have had the same deal for my SKS. Grrr.

The same 20 rifle crate had two ex snipers in it. They'd been spoken for but I think I made a great choice with the 1921. Yes yes I know, you want porn. I'll try to get pics of it on soon.
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Re: Tula dragoon era M91/30
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2010, 09:05:19 AM »
What Is an ex sniper?   is it drilled and filled in on the left side of the receiver? I have one that has two holes in the side of receiver,that were filled in .

Sorry for the goofy questions, but I am just getting started on the 91/30s. they are starting to grow on me.

everytime I get an extra one hundred dollar bill in my pocket, it seems to disappear.

  Another question, how many different variety's of 91/30s are there? I have three so far.

                  Thanks....

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Re: Tula dragoon era M91/30
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2010, 11:29:58 AM »
http://7.62x54r.net/

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