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The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« on: October 14, 2010, 09:28:54 AM »
In a plug to get a Sub-Category going on the Forum (hint!), I've resurrected a quote from Lafayettgregory from a thread in May, 2009.

With help from the likes of Beachbum, AKBLUE, YooperJ, JimmyC, etc., LG compiled a fairly comprehensive list of Collectibles, Rare and Variant SKS's.  It's one of the best references that I know to gauge where your particular gun might fit into the mix of SKS history.

Sure, there may be some discrepancies as to where a particular model might fit in the order listed, but that's not the point.  It is more to present that a list exists, and some interest follows from members to "fill out" their collections with the aid of this informative registry.

And who knows?  We might even find that some models are not on the list already.  The Clayco comes to mind in the Commercial Variant category...  So, let's see how much interest there is in in starting a Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback sub-forum, and maybe even show off a few of your gems in the meanwhile.

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The Collectable SKS available in US

North Korean
East German
Viet Cong
1949 Russian 90% gas port hardwood stock all matching
1949 Russian all others
Stamped receiver Chinese SKS
Chinese/ANY documented Papered Bringback SKS, war trophy
Yugo 59/66A1 New non issue
No date Romanian
B-series M59
1955 No date/ no star
Albanian 1976
Albanian No date
Albanian All other dates
Chinese M-21
Chinese public security
Chinese/Egyptian SKS
1950 Russian Italic stampings
Yugo M59 matching
1953 Izhevsk  Non issued non-refurbished
1954 Izhevsk  Non Issued non-refurbished
Sino Soviet SKS 1956 Matching
Yugo M59/66 stock with brass selector plate
1951 Russian
1952/53/54/55 Russian Tula
All other Refurbed laminate Russians
Chinese T26 late 1970's early 80's with "French Tickler" handguard
Non Matching Sino-Soviet
Chinese contract  DP's, DB's
Yugo 59/66
Romanian 1955
Romanian 1956
All other Romanians
Unmolested 18in barrel Chinese SKS
All Long collar Chinese
All short collar Chinese SKS
All other Chinese Pinned Barrel SKS


Collectable commercial SKS variants
Farmers Friend including G3 mount and type 84 scope, with box and instructions.
Midwest arms Conversion folding stock combat arms “D”
Chinese precision degree rifle with documentation
Chinese Type 84 SKS with matching numbered mags
Polytec Hunter all original with riveted 5 rd mag
Chinese Type "M" model 63, open front sight
Chinese Type "M" MC-5D
Chinese Type “D” with standard stock and attached spike bayonet
Navy Arms sniper with type 86 scope and G3 mount mid receiver base
Navy arms Sharpshooter with rear receiver base and scope.
Chinese Honor guard with all paperwork and documentation.
K sport Green
K sport Black
K sport Gray
Cowboy companion with matching scope and mount
16’Para with bayonet
16’ Para neutered and/or unmatched Cowboy companion
Chinese type “M” Thumbhole stock
Chinese Type “M” Monte Carlo stock
 



Not available in USA:
Type 63 detachable
Type 63 non-detachable

 




Also, Mods and Members,  looking for your input as to whether or not a sub-category may be necessary.  Opinions, votes yeah or nay, commentary, analysis, or just plain talk - all views are welcome on the matter.
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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2010, 09:32:35 AM »
I'll go first...

'49 Tula refurb.  Hardwood stock, non-matching.






East German in Chicom or NVA stock






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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2010, 10:07:50 AM »
I would say the commercial variant idea (Navy Arms, KSI, Bricklee, etc.) is a good one and that the same forum would also be a good place for the EG, NK, and VC rifles as well.

There's already a forum for your '49 Tula SKS. It's called the "Russian" forum. :lol:
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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2010, 12:20:55 PM »
There has been much discussion in recent months of the DDR marked Tulas and Izhevsks as well a the Russian Letter Series.

The discussion went back and forth and the true DDR variant was deemed as such by having the triangle with a one in it marked just left of the serial number. A request of members to see how many existed on the forum ended up being about twelve or thirteen. Not many for such a large group.

The Russian Letter Series for the '55/'56 Tulas seemed to be more plentiful, but not just a common occurrence. Little is known about their introduction to the SKS Armory at the Tula arsenal. They don't come up every day for sale. Many SKS owners do not even recognize them for what they are.

I would think that these two variants need to be added to the list.   
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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2010, 04:43:29 PM »
There has been much discussion in recent months of the DDR marked Tulas and Izhevsks as well a the Russian Letter Series.

The discussion went back and forth and the true DDR variant was deemed as such by having the triangle with a one in it marked just left of the serial number. A request of members to see how many existed on the forum ended up being about twelve or thirteen. Not many for such a large group.

The Russian Letter Series for the '55/'56 Tulas seemed to be more plentiful, but not just a common occurrence. Little is known about their introduction to the SKS Armory at the Tula arsenal. They don't come up every day for sale. Many SKS owners do not even recognize them for what they are.

I would think that these two variants need to be added to the list.   

 I would agree. When we made the list there was no talk about the Russian DDR rifles.

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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 08:25:35 PM »


What could it be inside the box?





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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2010, 08:45:33 PM »
The only thing I have to add to the list is the Russian Tula arsenal marked Chinese. I do not think anyone had seen them when LG made the list.



As to the possibility of a new sub forum, I've been asking for awhile, but I would construct it with different parameters. I would assume that Chinese rarities, would still fall into the Chinese category,

Russian Oddities, 1949s, letter series and such would still fall into Russian.

I'd keep the not even available yet sub-forum for those not covered by other forums, like these.

East German,
DDR marked Russians
Polish Honor guard Russians
Egyptian contract Chinese
North Korean
North Vietnamese,
Russian receiver, Chinese.
Maybe Sino Soviets, but even they are clearly Chinese.

Anything that does not fit squarely into another forum should fall into the rare variant forum. If you take the collectable or bringbacks out of those forums, it dilutes those forums. Commercial Chinese variants might be an exception, as they were made for another country that just happens to be the USA.

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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 09:03:58 PM »


What could it be inside the box?






I see some of Kim Jong's looking annoying crayon work on it, but... it could generic communist crayon looking work too. The commies had a thing for stars.

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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 09:10:30 PM »
Hmmm... points well taken, Darin.

But if someone lands the Long Barrel M-59 (which isn't on the list yet!) or a no-date Romy/Albie, don't you think those should be celebrated as Collectible/Rare/Variant?  Yes, they have their own countries of origin, but you just don't see 'em everyday.

Or, what's inside the box?  Could that be special, too?

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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2010, 09:26:55 PM »
Martin-Have you been out shopping again? Does your wife know where you went?
Unless it's the longest jack-in-the-box ever made you may be in real trouble. :shock:

BTW-Got the vest today-looks great-the Duckbilless mags fit it fine-I will be a hit at the range-if I ever get there.
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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2010, 09:33:17 PM »
Could it be....................................................SATAN......lol, couldn't resist...
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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2010, 10:35:24 PM »
Could it be....................................................SATAN......lol, couldn't resist...


No!  It isn't Satan.  But I did steal it from his Sharpshooter, Navy Arms.








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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2010, 10:38:56 PM »
Also, the different versions of the North Korean rifles, too.

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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2010, 02:09:21 AM »
Martin08,

I understand what you are saying, but a rarely found long barreled Yugo M59 would in my opinion very firmly belong in the Yugo section.

Likewise The Albanian or Romanian do in fact belong in those respective sections.

I am guilty of posting about my stamped unit in the "general" area, but when I came to my senses, I moved it to Chinese.

It's where it belongs.

I think the "Specials" forum should be for those with international heritage, that does not fit easily into an existing forum. Example would be the American Historical foundation "Vietnam commemorative" SKS. It's built on a Russian, but commemorates the Vietnam war.... Confusing.... So "Special".

I suggest we actually wait to see if the sub forum ever materializes. I've been suggesting it for a LONG time.

Nice rifle/box/score by the way. Does the box differ from our Farmer's Friend boxes at all?

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Re: The Collectible/Rare/Variant/Bringback Thread.
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2010, 07:51:51 AM »
The box has identical dimensions, internals, latches, etc.


And again, I hear you on  those with international heritage, that do not fit easily into an existing forum - but for those NVA, NK, and DDR rifles that maybe total under 200, and then those that are owned by active forum members, the sub-forum would have about thirty topics and then die.

A papered Chicom, a 90deg gas block '50 Russian, a beautiful '53 non-refurb Izzy, a Type-84 with BHO, - all collectibles in their own rights - these types of rarities would fill out a sub-forum and give collectors common place to trade information, stories and insights.

Just thinking out loud.