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Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« on: March 23, 2011, 11:55:26 AM »
As you guys know, I've got the mag adapter. The G1 was the first offering and came in 2 styles. One for the polymer stocks and the other for the wooden stocks. Then we came up with the G3/1 which basically obsoleted the G1. The difference between the 2 was the G3 eliminated the need to "cross-pin" the adapter in place. Some of you guys wanted the adapter, but didn't want to drill the stock for the cross-pin. So we fixed that objection.

I contacted Nick and he is interested in the adapter for his stock. He graciously sent me a stock to work with. Because the approach angle of the mag is sharper with the adapter, the pistol grip sorta gets in the way. While it will work, it isn't "snap easy" to install the mag. We are in the final steps of the G5/1 adapter that will have a release "lever" on it that will let you drop the mag almost vertically out. The way it works is you pull the lever, tip the front of the mag down/backwards slightly, so the front of the mag clears the mag well, then push down/forward on the mag to take it out. The pistol grip is NOT now part of the equation. It also allows vertical insertion like an AR or M14. No rock-n-lock necessary. just push it straight up/in, KACHUNK, locked in place. Here's the dilemma, the COST of the G5/1. The retail cost is probably going to be around 80.00, maybe 90.00 depending on my production costs to make it. More parts, more CNC cutting, etc, drives the production cost up.

While the G5/1 is being developed for the Shernic, it WILL work on ANY of the non AK accepting mag SKS rifles. And all the mags will work with any of the 3 adapters.

Another issue is the install of the G5/1, while not difficult, is more labor intensive. The G1 is drop it in place, drill the hole, insert pin, 5 mins you are done. With the G5, you need to cut some of the barrel washer out to make room for the locking piece on the adapter. Easily done with a Dremel, but not everybody has a Dremel. Plus you will need to mark the washer with the proper measurements. If Nick made a special purpose washer, that would go a long way to simplifying the process of the G5 install. I don't know if he will.

Question: If you were going to go with "DBL" and the Shernic stock, would you get the original G1 (50.00) with the simple cross-pin install or spend the extra money (80-90.00) and get the G5/1 with the extra install issues, but with the easier load and release? I used a G1 on the Shernic and it was very easy to install. But you still have the pistol grip issue.

Thanks guys.
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Re: Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2011, 02:39:06 PM »
First time posting, figured it would be the area that I'm following most intently. The shipping date for the SGW stock is getting close to my order, and I've been collecting parts for it to install upon arrival. One component I have been eagerly waiting for is the G5 adapter, as I am looking to make my system as efficient and ergonomic as possible. I don't want any interferences, especially in regards to mag changes. I personally think $90 is a steal for a AR style mag system. While it would be great if Nick could make a special purpose washer, it seems the SGW crew is so busy filling orders I would be concerned as to when that would happen. If anything I would see what you could develop, Marcus. No pressure.  :lol: And at the end of the day I've got a Dremel, so I'm not worried about install.

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Re: Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2011, 04:42:26 PM »
SB85 I just sent my fabricator an email asking him if he can make some from a "sample" I send him. I think it would be better if I just include replacement washers with the G5/1 adapter. Even if he charges me 1.00 each it would be worth it to me from a customer service aspect. Then the process becomes a "drop in" and tighten the adapter, assemble the stock process. No cutting, no errors.
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Re: Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2011, 06:16:34 PM »
Marcus, I think that is definitely the way to go on this one. A drop in kit would save a lot of time and headache for those who don't have the proper tools or time. Here's to hoping that I finally get this paratrooper 56 assembled.

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Re: Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2011, 01:18:15 AM »
I got my SG works stock today so and thought I'd see what you had available for adapters; come to find out your developing one specifically for the bullpup stock.

Meanwhile I was cruising youtube and saw that Center Balanced Systems is developing something I imagine will be similar to the idea behind your G5 adapter.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXj8gRhYFk&feature=related

Their stocks are ugly, but that idea he's got seems like it would work really well.

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Re: Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2011, 11:47:34 AM »
I got my SG works stock today so and thought I'd see what you had available for adapters; come to find out your developing one specifically for the bullpup stock.

Meanwhile I was cruising youtube and saw that Center Balanced Systems is developing something I imagine will be similar to the idea behind your G5 adapter.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXj8gRhYFk&feature=related

Their stocks are ugly, but that idea he's got seems like it would work really well.

Except it works ONLY with his stock. My adapter works with any stock. And his is kinda pricey?
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Re: Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2011, 05:18:00 PM »

Except it works ONLY with his stock. My adapter works with any stock. And his is kinda pricey?
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I was thinking (implied) that it works with just his stock.  I have no idea on the price, I was just searching stuff on youtube when I came across this.  I imagine it's either included with his stock or an extra $100 or so.  :dontknow:

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Re: Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2011, 05:39:28 PM »

Except it works ONLY with his stock. My adapter works with any stock. And his is kinda pricey?
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I was thinking (implied) that it works with just his stock.  I have no idea on the price, I was just searching stuff on youtube when I came across this.  I imagine it's either included with his stock or an extra $100 or so.  :dontknow:

It's an extra cost for the adapter.
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Re: Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2011, 01:01:46 AM »
OK, there will be no barrel support rings in the Shernic if you use the G5. The locking piece and the rings occupy the same space. Physics 101 says two solid objects can not do that. So, the rings had to be modified or go. It was much easier to take them out, Dremel the area so the locking piece had a place to rest and put the stock together. Pix of the new adapter are in a thread in this section. I'll get some pix of the inside of the stock and post them.
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Re: Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2011, 07:33:11 PM »
Marcus,

I saw a post in a Shernic thread in the GD section.  I'm very interested in the G5 mag release system -  I plan on using my SGW SKS in 'tactical carbine' matches, and quick mag changes, with easily carry-able magazines will be a MUST.  

Looks to me like you could just easily use your strong hand to trip the lever and drop the mag free, then return to the pistol grip to then transition to the weak hand to retrieve a fresh magazine, insert and charge.  


Added:  My stock will be here tomorrow, so I'm going to start the basic installation. I only have 1 duckbill mag on hand.  I'd love to order the G5 and a couple fully modified mags to use as templates for future mag mods.  I'll keep an eye out here for availability. 
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Re: Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2011, 08:39:57 PM »
We think 30-45 days to hit the market. Depends on fabrication time.

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Re: Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 12:13:35 PM »
I got my SG works stock today so and thought I'd see what you had available for adapters; come to find out your developing one specifically for the bullpup stock.

Meanwhile I was cruising youtube and saw that Center Balanced Systems is developing something I imagine will be similar to the idea behind your G5 adapter.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXj8gRhYFk&feature=related

Their stocks are ugly, but that idea he's got seems like it would work really well.

Except it works ONLY with his stock. My adapter works with any stock. And his is kinda pricey?
Marcus


Plus they have a note on their website saying they won't sell anymore till they know what legislation is going to pass. That alone is enough for me to not want to do business with them.
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Re: Mag Adapter and the Shernic stock
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2013, 12:27:48 PM »
I got my SG works stock today so and thought I'd see what you had available for adapters; come to find out your developing one specifically for the bullpup stock.

Meanwhile I was cruising youtube and saw that Center Balanced Systems is developing something I imagine will be similar to the idea behind your G5 adapter.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXj8gRhYFk&feature=related

Their stocks are ugly, but that idea he's got seems like it would work really well.

Except it works ONLY with his stock. My adapter works with any stock. And his is kinda pricey?
Marcus


Plus they have a note on their website saying they won't sell anymore till they know what legislation is going to pass. That alone is enough for me to not want to do business with them.

I'm still selling mine.
Marcus
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