Is there a way to build a featureless saiga style sporter?

[trianglevelvet]

Are there parts kits around to build a Saiga style rifle?
Sporter style furniture, and trigger system set back to be usable in sporter configuration.  (no pistol grip)
No muzzle device

5.45x39 would be neat
7.62x39 would be ok too
Other calibers?

[Toad]

There are t-hole stocks, and Cali legal available...if that answers your question.

[trianglevelvet]

There are t-hole stocks, and Cali legal available...if that answers your question.

I live in a crappy state.

No thumbhole, no muzzle device, 10 round mags, no pistol grip.

The saiga sporter pictured in my post above is pretty much what I'd like to put together.
Without a muzzle device of any kind.

The main issue is that saiga uses a trigger group that moves the trigger back far enough to be reachable using the Monte Carlo buttstock. Without that, you simply can't grip the rifle and use the trigger unless you have 7 inch fingers.

[AKBLUE]

In think the Cal Guns site and other ban state specific sites have info on creating a legal semi auto like a Saiga etc.  Google should get you there.

[Toad]

Saiga triggers are drop in for standard AK receivers. You need to drill 2x pin holes to use. I'm not certain if reverse retrofitting imported parts to a 922r legal rifle, to make it "featureless" is legal.

Plenty of muzzle nuts available that can be tacked or silver soldered on.

Are you starting with a Saiga and trying to make it NY legal?

[Messiah Jones]

 If you can find one, the original trigger from a Chinese "hunter" AK would make the build a lot easier. I have one but not sure if I want to part with it yet. I was considering a similar project a while back but I was wanting to make an AK look like a lever gun.

 All you need is the trigger. The rest is typical AK stuff.

[Darts2116]

They were origally imported that way I found one not I’d original configuration because I live in Ny. I bought it right before the election. It had a Texas weapons system rail and chaos forend so I paid a little more than I should have but I got a Russian made ask that was NY compliment. At least that what I tell myself to make me feel better.

[cvasqu03]

They were origally imported that way I found one not I’d original configuration because I live in Ny. I bought it right before the election. It had a Texas weapons system rail and chaos forend so I paid a little more than I should have but I got a Russian made ask that was NY compliment. At least that what I tell myself to make me feel better.

You could probably buy the parts from someone who is converting a Saiga back to standard AK  configuration (I actually still have the FCG parts from mine), but it would be a losing proposition in my opinion.  You'd have to drill a couple of extra pin holes for the extra crosspins.  Problem number one is that the conversion to Saiga configuration included tac welding or riveting a plate to the bottom of the receiver to cover up the original trigger hole.  Problem number two is that the Saiga trigger guard was also attached to this plate, and it's a bit different than the standard AK trigger guard.  While I've seen some people cut what was left of the Saiga trigger guard to use in Standard AK configuration, I'm not sure it's possible to do the reverse. People that don't re-use it like this may have just thrown it away.  Problem number three is that even if you got ALL the parts from someone's conversion, you'd be replacing US made parts that were used to make the rifle legal with foreign made parts which would probably be a 922(r) violation. 

While anything is technically possible (especially for someone who has a machine shop and some mad skills), I don't think you can realistically do it.  You might be better off trying to buy an uncoverted Saiga from someone.

[Messiah Jones]

That Hunter trigger I mentioned above would negate you having to drill any holes at all.

[Danjal]

It looks like a standard ak trigger with a different  blade on it.

[Toad]

I think you'd be ahead of the game if you sold the converted unit, with all the go-fast parts...and just by a new, plain jane, sporter saiga. You'd make money on the deal and save yourself a headache of finding all those parts and converting.

[cvasqu03]

It looks like a standard ak trigger with a different  blade on it.

It basically is, but the trigger extends further back and needs a new hole further back on the receiver for it to protrude through.  As I recall, it also feels a bit different.  Instead of a nice crisp trigger pull, it's more like you're moving a lever.  It's actually similar to the way the Saiga 308 was set up.

Speaking of which, if you really wanted to do this, you might try getting the internal parts from a 308 Saiga to use, though I don't know if these would require the extra holes.  You'd still run into the 922(r) issue though.

[Messiah Jones]

It looks like a standard ak trigger with a different  blade on it.

It basically is, but the trigger extends further back and needs a new hole further back on the receiver for it to protrude through.  As I recall, it also feels a bit different.  Instead of a nice crisp trigger pull, it's more like you're moving a lever.  It's actually similar to the way the Saiga 308 was set up.

Speaking of which, if you really wanted to do this, you might try getting the internal parts from a 308 Saiga to use, though I don't know if these would require the extra holes.  You'd still run into the 922(r) issue though.

 And the "Saiga" triggers use more than 3 parts. Don't know if this matters technically, but I'd bet the authorities could make it count if they wanted to. Even if the "yoke" isn't mentioned in the legal description.

[cvasqu03]

It looks like a standard ak trigger with a different  blade on it.

It basically is, but the trigger extends further back and needs a new hole further back on the receiver for it to protrude through.  As I recall, it also feels a bit different.  Instead of a nice crisp trigger pull, it's more like you're moving a lever.  It's actually similar to the way the Saiga 308 was set up.

Speaking of which, if you really wanted to do this, you might try getting the internal parts from a 308 Saiga to use, though I don't know if these would require the extra holes.  You'd still run into the 922(r) issue though.

 And the "Saiga" triggers use more than 3 parts. Don't know if this matters technically, but I'd bet the authorities could make it count if they wanted to. Even if the "yoke" isn't mentioned in the legal description.

Depends which saiga.  The 7.62x39 saigas separate the sear and trigger into two pieces while the regular AK has it as a single piece, so in that case, yes, you'd be adding yet another foreign made part that counts.  I think the .308 Saiga still has them as a single piece just like the AK hunter parts pictured above.  I think that's the case anyway.  I might be wrong.

[Messiah Jones]

 The "hunter" trigger I posted above uses the same square hole in the receiver and doesn't need another hole farther back. The hunter receivers are milled and the parts swap out without any modification. The trigger guard is farther back though.

 Forgive me if I'm confused by what you meant.