Is France the beginning of the collapse?

[Lostinspace]

Could what is going on in France be a warning of the beginning of a collapse.  BTW it isn't just in France anymore, it's Belgium, the Netherlands, and the seeds of anti NWO and anti socialism are starting to take hold across Europe.  I'm really curious as to how bad it will get before bullets start flying.

[Onepoint]

They claimed Brexit was an aberration and that people really want to be part of the borg EU, but people don't like not having any say in how they are governed and what they are taxed even if they do not think through or can explain what they are protesting about. So yes it definitely is push back.  Of course anarchists will coop any demonstration and make it violent if they can not sure I would rad much into that itself. 

[jonnyugo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBEBBdTBTmY          One thing they understand is that if you in the Working Class, you have to fight to get or keep any Rights you have or want. They under stand how the EUs mass incursion of immigrants, Muslim no less, to dilute there labor market and enrich the Elites. When you have well educated society, and France's one of the best, Selling BS gets tough! They know if you don't manage your government, the government will manage you.

[Danjal]

Rioting in France is the national pastime.

[retcolusa]

Rioting in France is the national pastime.

Yea, if only they could fight wars as well as they riot.

[CG]

Rioting in France is the national pastime.

Yea, if only they could fight wars as well as they riot.

Napoleon's forces were not that bad.  The leader took on the weather and lost is the real story.

[Onepoint]

The french had their national war fighting will broken in WW1 giving up entirely a whole generation to the war machine. WW2 just cemented the fact they are no longer a formidable world power. They tried to revive the nationalist spirit post WW2,  but as mentioned its not a good sell to people who know they are not going to be part of the plutocracy.   Yet they just keep putting those kind in power, even after rioting to get them out.

I would be surprised if its a Frexit, but stranger things have happened. 

[Danjal]

Rioting in France is the national pastime.

Yea, if only they could fight wars as well as they riot.

France went into WWII screwed from the get go. They lost nearly all of their young men in WWI, even England had issues coming back from the losses. In ways I can't blame them, in others they should have fought. But France, and all of Europe was looking at losing pretty much every male from the age of 16 to 55 years old in its population if the second war dragged on.

These weren't minor conflicts, they placed heavy losses on lives, giant portions of the population were lost. France lost approximately 5-10% of it's total population in WWI alone. Serbia was hit much harder at roughly 20%, but the US lost under 1%, and most allies lost 2%. That's total population. Of that the vast majority was the 16-35 year old males. The remaining was lost to famine, lack of shelter, innocent casualties, and other reasons figure 20% of losses were noncombatants. To date the US hasn't even seen casualty numbers by percentage anywhere near this amount of total population. The civil was was pretty much our highest by percentage of population, 2%. The 2% is 6.5 million by today's population, or France's 10% losses would be 62.5 million. And nearly all of that would be young men age 16-35. There's roughly 83 million Americans 15-35 years of age. And male to female is about 49% male. That gives us 40.7 million male Americans to fight with. Think about that once, we don't have enough men 15-35 years of age to lose 10% of our population in a war, not even half the required amount. Then realize that France was looking at yet another war looming to do the same thing. That would have left a giant hole in their population of men mid teens to mid 50's. One they may not have been able to recover from.

[jonnyugo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQuU5Lf3idc          A good understanding of what is going on not only in France but the EU in general. England is a heart beat away from this as well.  This may end up being the spark to wake up working people across the world that the wealthy will stop at nothing to steal every thing. They can never be satisfied until they have it all at any cost.

[Lostinspace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQuU5Lf3idc          A good understanding of what is going on not only in France but the EU in general. England is a heart beat away from this as well.  This may end up being the spark to wake up working people across the world that the wealthy will stop at nothing to steal every thing. They can never be satisfied until they have it all at any cost.

Nailed it Jonny and it is wise to watch how this is handled by those in power....our day is coming and it will be good to know their playbook ahead of time.

[Onepoint]

Of course the fuel tax was just the last straw,  but its not like this has not happened before.  Since WW2 France has had at least 3 or 4 major political upheavals that were not revolutions but certainly were dramatic changes in evolution of their form of govt.   Yet its still France.

This does weaken the EU, and its possible the UK might start to destabilize in kind if they try and force the country to abandon Brexit.  But we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.  As far as relating to us, we don't need to watch to find that out, we can just look at our own history to know how govt handles it when people resist, its kind of the point if owing firearm to start with. 

[Griz375]

They claimed Brexit was an aberration and that people really want to be part of the borg EU, but people don't like not having any say in how they are governed and what they are taxed even if they do not think through or can explain what they are protesting about. So yes it definitely is push back.  Of course anarchists will coop any demonstration and make it violent if they can not sure I would rad much into that itself.

I always thought of the EU as UN,Lite. I suppose the notion might be attractive to the downtrodden who are saddled w/ a host of corrupt bureaucracies, each different in each country. Maybe that hodgepodge of national entities is why Europe has had to be rescued from itself X2.

Yes a common currency might make sense, depending on how it was backed; based on what I've read, the European idea of "backing a currency" is generally a promise.
Thank you but, no.

Allowing mass non-documented immigration from politically-volatile areas of the globe just doesn't seem wise to me but I don't have a piled-higher & deeper in anything let alone 'policy mgt' or similar.

BTW unless my memory is more flawed than I'm aware of, France is a highly socialist country, as is Greece, Italy & Germany so, it's not surprising the open border thing was fundamental to the EU concept nor that it was applied to the Muslim refugee onslaught.

To be clear, I'm not anti-Muslim. I am however COMPLETELY opposed to any group which preaches conversion to a specific ideology, on pain of death.

This is a wordy response which really boils down to "they can boil in their own broth!"

We need to keep reminding the current POTUS we're not interested in being part of any sort of World Govt. in any way shape or form but particularly any form which doesn't follow The American Constitution. That of course would specifically exclude any UN-governance of our day-to-day lives.

He & his Cabinet need to understand there would be rapid & not necessarily pleasant responses to any attempts on their parts to subvert the desires of ‘We, the people’.

Oops! I guess I'm no longer an 'unknown'.

[Workingzombie]

"France went into WWII screwed from the get go. They lost nearly all of their young men in WWI, even England had issues coming back from the losses. In ways I can't blame them, in others they should have fought. But France, and all of Europe was looking at losing pretty much every male from the age of 16 to 55 years old in its population if the second war dragged on. "

France in WW1 and 2 was a case of lions led by donkeys. France suffered from one government cabinet after another falling apart, almost yearly. So no consistent leadership. Communism was rampant in the country, furthering division. Communist resistant fighters strove to take over Paris first before the Allies liberated it, so as to establish a communist nation. They went as far as betraying a fellow french resistant leader who was for the Republic to the Nazis to get him out of the picture. I read this in Is Paris Burning?

In WWI, French Generals only knew of one tactic, Attack! So they sent millions of brave French soldiers to their deaths in human wave attacks against German machine guns over and over. The soldiers got tired of being slaughtered, and mutiny followed in 1917.  They would have done the same to our troops had they been given full command. As it was, we suffered 100,000 casualties for them and the rest of Europe, only to have them plant the seeds for WW2.

By WW2 France's army was still being run by the same generals who led it in WW1. These guys were over 80 years old, and did not adopt combine arms of artillery, tanks, and planes like the Germans did. So they fought like they did in WWI, and the french soldiers got creamed again. Call it class warfare or socialist materialism, either way French troops were treated as expendables by Generals who resided in Chateaus from from the front drinking champagne and moving flags on a map, as far from reality like Hitler was in his final days in his bunker.

So don't call the French soldiers cowards. They were in a losing situation like our guys in Vietnam. When well lead, they could fight as well as anyone. They just got tired of being thrown away by a government that could not make up its mind what it stood for to make them fight for.

[JimmyJamesKY]

So don't call the French soldiers cowards. They were in a losing situation like our guys in Vietnam.

I think the French got an undeserved rep for cowardice. There was a saying about French weapons "Never fired, and only dropped once!"

They did leave us holding the bag in French Indochina (Vietnam).

Some good history in this thread!

[Onepoint]

France may have suffered the fate they built for themselves.  Regardless,  the France of now is not the 'French resistance' France, its become soft in it's nanny statism.   Except for Jean Reno,  he kicks ass.